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    Quote Originally Posted by Lester Polfus View Post
    They've actually dropped the Short-Trac and Long-Trac designation, and now they are just BAR's. They all have the hinged floor plate. Handy for unloading the gun so you can put in the truck whilst hunting, but not what we need in a "practical rifle."

    I can't figure out the FN-AR and Mk3 DBM magazine comparability question. Brownells sells the FN-AR mags, but lists them just for the FN-AR. They have part #3108929200 for the 10 round mag.

    The 10 round mag for the MK3 DBM is listed as Item Number 112025056 and UPC 023614486589 on the Browning website.

    Making them a common part is exactly the sort of thing that Browning is known for not doing.
    To be fair, Browning isn't alone in that particular marketing strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeler View Post
    To be fair, Browning isn't alone in that particular marketing strategy.
    True dat.

    Before the Ruger Gunsite Scout was birthed, I built up a practical rifle based on a Ruger M77Mk2. Every now and then I do a thought exercise of evaluating a non-AR platform, semiautomatic .308 rifle to replace it and it seems like all the available options are some combination of too heavy, too fragile, or too unsupportable. It's hard to justify the time money and effort to replace something that works perfectly well.
    I was into 10mm Auto before it sold out and went mainstream, but these days I'm here for the revolver and epidemiology information.

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    I spoke to Jim Brockman tonight. He isn't familiar with the R1, besides reading about them. He said the BAR has a good reputation, and he wouldn't get too wound up about difficulty disassembling them, in lower 48 use, as foam cleaner, a bore snake and some lube will go a long way to keeping them running well.
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    Right now, I see the R1 as a better AK walking around gun and possibly caribou/moose rifle in bear country, and the Browning better as a practical rifle/course gun.
    There's a lot of discussion on the web about R1 vs BAR. Worth googling if you haven't gone down that rabbit hole already. Mixed experiences with both, and opinions to go with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlongJohnson View Post
    There's a lot of discussion on the web about R1 vs BAR. Worth googling if you haven't gone down that rabbit hole already. Mixed experiences with both, and opinions to go with them.
    Can you summarize?
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

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    FNAR is generally considered MOA with ammo it likes, perhaps due to the heavy barrel. BARs often are, but not as consistent. Some people report that no BAR has ever been good enough for them to keep around. Newer BARs seem to be more consistently good than old ones. ShortTrac is a litte lighter than R1.

    Some people report good results with R1. Others not so much. Many report R1 is more finicky about what factory ammo it likes. May group MOA with the right ammo, but 2 or even 3+ with stuff it doesn't like. Interestingly, there were comments indicating consensus on a Benelli forum that the R1 just isn't that accurate. Recoil is likely to be felt a bit less with the Comfortech stock. R1 is easier to take down for cleaning, but many say the Browning stays cleaner internally, so it doesn't need to be cleaned as often. You can put a cleaning rod through the R1 barrel from the breech end, but a poster somewhere said he had real problems with return to zero when it was taken down for cleaning, and he was able to walk shots off the paper with fore end torque. Another poster concurred that the front sling swivel being mounted to the forend fastener had led to it loosening in the field. Someone else said he ended up with twigs and debris in the action behind the bolt after a brush hunt with the open ejection port; BAR's port may be smaller? One said the clear coat on the stocks turned white when it got rained on; mostly cleared up as it dried out. Saw a guy who said the R1 just didn't carry well for him at all, went with a BAR and was much happier. Another guy said he liked the way it carried. R1 is not readily amenable to trigger work due to chromed contact surfaces; of course, chrome can be stripped and reapplied.

    Seems that both rifles are subject to variation, with good and less good examples of both to be expected. As with most of the net, it can be hard to get a confidence level with the information due to the unknown competence and experiences of those posting.

    I suspect you'll end up getting one of each and deciding for yourself.
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    My friend and I pretty much gave up experimenting with trying to make his BAR less subject to fore end pressure. It was a .338 Win Mag, which doesn't reward either the shoulder or the wallet when it comes to long experimentation sessions.
    I was into 10mm Auto before it sold out and went mainstream, but these days I'm here for the revolver and epidemiology information.

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    The FNAR mag looks like this:

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/21...er-steel-matte

    The BAR mag looks like this:

    http://www.browning.com/content/dam/...iginal.img.jpg

    The FN mag kit in my practical rifles looks like this:

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/93...round-magazine

    All different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveB View Post
    The FNAR mag looks like this:

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/21...er-steel-matte

    The BAR mag looks like this:

    http://www.browning.com/content/dam/...iginal.img.jpg

    The FN mag kit in my practical rifles looks like this:

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/93...round-magazine

    All different.
    Let's keep clear about what's being discussed, so people don't get confused.


    This is the mag for the new BAR DBM, same as the 10-round mags for the FNAR:
    http://www.browning.com/content/dam/...b.835.835.jpeg


    The BAR mag you linked is for the hinged floor plate. This is a BAR ShortTrac Stalker with hinged floor plate (BTW, this is the furniture I mentioned goes right on an FNAR):
    http://www.browning.com/content/dam/...b.835.835.jpeg

    http://www.browning.com/content/dam/...b.835.835.jpeg


    This is the BAR ShortTrac Hog Stalker Realtree Max-1, which appears to be the same magazine system as the DBM and FNAR (the whole gun is just an FNAR with different trim):
    http://www.browning.com/content/dam/...iginal.img.jpg


    This is the Winchester SX-AR, which appears to be the same magazine system as the DBM and FNAR (the whole gun is just an FNAR with different trim):
    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/w...31051l-tfb.jpg


    The Winchester system you linked is clearly a different system than the FNAR.
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    Benelli offers an accessory 20" barrel for the R1 in 30-06 and a 10 rd magazine.I'd like to see HK reintroduce their sporting rifles again,like the SL-7 and the HK770.

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