Lehigh has changed my idea of a field pistol

[Lester Polfus]

Indeed. If I were one of the brave men and women in blue, this would concern me.

I get that, and....

Even when I quit in 2002 there was handgun ammo out there that would go through our vests. We never saw any assholes out there with it. I was much concerned about running into an asshole armed with any one of the millions of garden variety hunting rifles that would go through our vests.

[Bigghoss]

I'm under the impression that garden variety thugs don't know enough about guns to be packing this ammo to kill cops. Am I wrong? I'm more worried about it getting banned as armor piercing.

[GJM]

What interests me about the video is that the Lehigh bullet apparently has a shape that enhances penetration, and based on the experience of 5pins, there is apparently a minimum velocity threshold required. Depending upon that velocity, it could influence what caliber I used with the Lehigh bullet.

[rangerover]

Looks like Underwood make a 115g +p penetrator and also a 115g +p+ version in 9mm. Any thoughts which would be the better option as a woods round?

[El Cid]

Looks like Underwood make a 115g +p penetrator and also a 115g +p+ version in 9mm. Any thoughts which would be the better option as a woods round?

I snagged a box of the regular +p to test when I test the 10mm. Plan to shoot it at bulletproof glass like in the one video that has been posted before. I also plan to shoot through a windshield.

[Bigghoss]

Looks like Underwood make a 115g +p penetrator and also a 115g +p+ version in 9mm. Any thoughts which would be the better option as a woods round?

Based on what I've read just in this thread, +P+ if you have an H&K, +p if you have anything else.

[StraitR]

I get that, and....

Even when I quit in 2002 there was handgun ammo out there that would go through our vests. We never saw any assholes out there with it. I was much concerned about running into an asshole armed with any one of the millions of garden variety hunting rifles that would go through our vests.

I'm under the impression that garden variety thugs don't know enough about guns to be packing this ammo to kill cops. Am I wrong? I'm more worried about it getting banned as armor piercing.

New thread made for discussion in GD, as to not derail this one... https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....tol-Ammunition

[rangerover]

Based on what I've read just in this thread, +P+ if you have an H&K, +p if you have anything else.

I have a Glock. Never thought +p+ would be too much for a Glock.

[GJM]

Based on what I've read just in this thread, +P+ if you have an H&K, +p if you have anything else.

Underwood lists the +P at 1,250 and +P+ at 1,350 fps. I didn't even know the +P+ load existed, and only have tested the +P, which has functioned in numerous 9mm pistols. I am not sure that the extra 100 fps will be meaningful in penetration, but I worry about it being more at the edge of the reliability envelope. Thoughts?

[Bigghoss]

I have a Glock. Never thought +p+ would be too much for a Glock.

It's not going to explode, but it'll wear out much faster.

Underwood lists the +P at 1,250 and +P+ at 1,350 fps. I didn't even know the +P+ load existed, and only have tested the +P, which has functioned in numerous 9mm pistols. I am not sure that the extra 100 fps will be meaningful in penetration, but I worry about it being more at the edge of the reliability envelope. Thoughts?

You'd know a lot better than I would so I'll defer to you on that. I'm mostly thinking of the lifespan of the pistol it's being used in. +p would be the safe bet since it ought to do what someone would need of it