I prefer the 70 Series (easier to get a crisp trigger break & fewer parts).
I rather like that I rely on myself to activate the manual safety. But when I first started carrying I chose a Gov't Model and took it to every carbine and pistol class for seven years. So it's second nature.
Second Nature.... that would imply familiarity due to extended proper usage of a mechanism or machine.
And therein lies the key to whatever system we choose. We are human and we are adaptable as a species. So *ALL* data will be confounded.
Conduct your own Failure Mode Analysis, come up with a workaround for each one. Really assess your proposed workaround. Establish a numerical value to the strength of your workaround and how likely you are to ALWAYS perform the task and the difficulty of the proposed task.
Then choose your system and train on it.
At the end of the day it's a slingshot; a primitive tool to sling 115 to 147 grains of copper jacketed lead projectiles.
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Okay, that was a lot to digest. This thread has a lot going on lmao.
1- It is very hard for me to get behind a striker gun being equally as safe as a tda/dao. If you are properly TRAINED. Which if you are carrying a weapon, no matter the trigger you should be. How is having all the built in features of a tda gun not safer? Between the weight, length of pull, hammer to check and to manage the trigger. Even a striker with a scd still has a shorter travel and less pull weight.
2. Reminds me of why I carry my px4cc. I am comfortable with the platform and can shoot the gun damn well.
3. I recently picked up a p-10c. I really enjoy shooting her. The trigger is definitely "easier" to shoot then my px4cc. But I do not shoot it better. I would really like a scd for it. I may actually carry it if so. Until then it is a range gun.
4. Since the p-10c is built a lot like a Glock is the drop safety of it also the same? I am curious to this.
5. Debates are good. Lets people see both sides to a discussion. Hopefully it will also help people who might be leaning one way or another.
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I'm still waiting for what data you used to make this determination, a rough idea of how many UDs in total we're talking, and how you kept track of how many people used each system.
How many UDs did the 525-ish have in those weeks or years? We don't know your department, the notion that you'll lose your healthcare for posting a rough number seems odd, but ok.
How do you misinterpret the number of UDs with each given system? Disagreeing is one thing. Indicating you have data you don't is another. I'll ask again. Did you ever actually have hard numbers or is this anecdotal based on what you recall.
You said you tracked UDs for 5 years, and apparently with enough precision to verify that the ratios were exactly the same as the ratio of platform types. That doesn't jive.
You presented something as fact. If it's your opinion, that's fine. If you wish to present it as fact based on data you collected over 5 years, it doesn't seem like too big an ask to know total number of UDs, the circumstances, etc. Are we talking accidental shots into the berm? Are we talking shot door panels in the parking lot during admin handling, what?
For the record, our department does not hide UDs. Every single in-service at the range we are reminded of specific events that led to UDs during training so as to not repeat them. We've yet to have an injury at the range, thank God, but we have had a cleaning cabinet, a table, and a vehicle get an unwanted hole. All were during admin handling, and at least two were pulling the trigger to break down the gun. You'll also catch a suspension for having one and it's tracked in software that tracks all your (and the departments) attaboys and aw shits.
Like Tom said, same reason as comps and whatnot.