38,000 rounds through 1911s

[Peally]

The problem with working on the platform is that there's no standardization of part sizes across the industry. An aftermarket part that drops in and fits perfectly in a Colt may require fitting in a Kimber or a Springfield.

1911 problems across the board, in a nutshell. While the design is completely sound, it'd be the the same situation if you had every true expert and true retard manufacturer on the planet building their version of a Glock 17.

[MSparks909]

1911 problems across the board, in a nutshell. While the design is completely sound, it'd be the the same situation if you had every true expert and true retard manufacturer on the planet building their version of a Glock 17.

...you mean like what's happening now with all the different slide, barrel and now a few frame manufacturers for the Glock design?

[LittleLebowski]

...you mean like what's happening now with all the different slide, barrel and now a few frame manufacturers for the Glock design?

Not really. You still have a standard that is supported from the original designer.

[Peally]

...you mean like what's happening now with all the different slide, barrel and now a few frame manufacturers for the Glock design?

Close, extend that to internal parts over different manufacturers with their own designs and everything else over 100 years and you have the same recipe for WTF potential.

I have a feeling if the average Joe wasn't a fan of basement gunsmithing followed afterwards by internet complaining the 1911 would have a different and more positive stereotype behind it. In 2117 Glocks may be a nightmare situation if a boob buying a Taurus G17 mixes it with some G17 HiPoint parts and does a little "polishing" work with the ol' space dremel.

[LockedBreech]

Close, extend that to internal parts over different manufacturers with their own designs and everything else over 100 years and you have the same recipe for WTF potential.

I have a feeling if the average Joe wasn't a fan of basement gunsmithing followed afterwards by internet complaining the 1911 would have a different and more positive stereotype behind it. In 2117 Glocks may be a nightmare situation if a boob buying a Taurus G17 mixes it with some G17 HiPoint parts and does a little "polishing" work with the ol' space dremel.

"You moron, you used a Glock G-X Type Plasma Capacitor in a Beretta-Sauer Interphase Pistol? Gee, wonder why it didn't work."

[JHC]

Close, extend that to internal parts over different manufacturers with their own designs and everything else over 100 years and you have the same recipe for WTF potential.

I have a feeling if the average Joe wasn't a fan of basement gunsmithing followed afterwards by internet complaining the 1911 would have a different and more positive stereotype behind it. In 2117 Glocks may be a nightmare situation if a boob buying a Taurus G17 mixes it with some G17 HiPoint parts and does a little "polishing" work with the ol' space dremel.

We see some of that already with the proliferation of aftermarket Glock parts that sometimes trigger all sorts of issues fixed with return to OEM. Some. Not all.

[MSparks909]

We see some of that already with the proliferation of aftermarket Glock parts that sometimes trigger all sorts of issues fixed with return to OEM. Some. Not all.

That was kind of my point but I digress. Side note and mini hijack, but what I would really like to see is somebody bring to market an enhanced reliability Glock slide with an external extractor that utilizes a coil spring and roll pin, ala HK, Walther, Beretta, etc. I think that could be a big seller if it was engineered well (i.e. used a current manufacturer's extractor and extractor spring; easy to find spare parts) and ran reliably.

[Lester Polfus]

That was kind of my point but I digress. Side note and mini hijack, but what I would really like to see is somebody bring to market an enhanced reliability Glock slide with an external extractor that utilizes a coil spring and roll pin, ala HK, Walther, Beretta, etc. I think that could be a big seller if it was engineered well (i.e. used a current manufacturer's extractor and extractor spring; easy to find spare parts) and ran reliably.

I'm curious what kind of problem we'd be trying to solve there. Glocks, while perhaps not quite "perfection" tend to be pretty reliable. The teeting issues with the Gen 4 seem to have sorted themselves out, at least that's my impression with the one's I've played with here lately.

And if that wasn't true, at the point where I have to replace a guns slide to make it reliable is the point where I just buy something else that works out of the box.

[Drang]

3. 1911s are easy to maintain right up until they're not.

Most problems with a 1911 can be fixed by a moderately competent armorer. I'm not sure where people got the idea that these guns were hard to work on, because they're not.

Because pins and stuff!

The problem with working on the platform is that there's no standardization of part sizes across the industry.

There was... until 1945 and Uncle Sam got out of the 1911 building business.
I guess you could say it lasted until Colt started deviating from the GI spec, which was... MK IV? Gold Cup?

[MSparks909]

I'm curious what kind of problem we'd be trying to solve there. Glocks, while perhaps not quite "perfection" tend to be pretty reliable. The teeting issues with the Gen 4 seem to have sorted themselves out, at least that's my impression with the one's I've played with here lately.

And if that wasn't true, at the point where I have to replace a guns slide to make it reliable is the point where I just buy something else that works out of the box.

All but one of my 9mm Glocks gave me BTF at least 1 or 2 out of every 100 rounds. It's a substandard extractor design, bar none. But it's cheap and simple to make that's why it's sticking around. Both my Colt 9mm and Wilson 9mm 1911s have been 100% reliable (I expect the Wilson to be due to its price point but still) with zero BTF or poor ejection qualities. They just run.