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    Quote Originally Posted by rsa-otc View Post
    Jody while I agree with your sentiments whole heartedly, reality is any vote for someone other than the GOP candidate is a vote for BHO. We can't chance another 4 years of Obama and his pack of dirtbags. I'm truly afraid the GOP hasn't put forward anyone who can beat BHO. It's going to be close.
    If you think there's a difference between Obama and the top GOP scumbags then you need to do a bit more research. They're anti-gun, anti-freedom, big government, start another war when we're bankrupt assholes. Romney, Santorum and Gingrich are all anti-gun and if you can't get that right than there's no hope for them.





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    Quote Originally Posted by IRISH View Post
    I suggest watching this 20 minute interview with...Here's an article written by Michael Scheuer on foreign policy and Ron Paul. http://lewrockwell.com/scheuer/scheuer12.1.html
    I would also recommend his book "Imperial Hubris."
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    Quote Originally Posted by IRISH View Post
    If you think there's a difference between Obama and the top GOP scumbags then you need to do a bit more research. They're anti-gun, anti-freedom, big government, start another war when we're bankrupt assholes. Romney, Santorum and Gingrich are all anti-gun and if you can't get that right than there's no hope for them.
    I'm convinced the GOP considers this a throw away election.
    As far as they're concerned Obama get's his two terms then it'll be there turn.
    Just playin the game.
    And if (when) Romney loses they'll blame it on him being too conservative and they'll run some half-ass socialist next time around.
    The only way politicians get more power is through increasingly larger and larger government.
    The only way to get a bigger government is to go left.
    It's all about more power.
    And I'm done being a useful idiot.

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    My position is Obama Must Go.

    Every few days he does something absolutely unconstitutional. Even cutting that down to once every two, or three, months is worth doing.

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    Im no longer content with the slow boil.
    Let's either turn the heat off or burn this bitch to the ground while im young enough to do something about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JodyH View Post
    I'm convinced the GOP considers this a throw away election.
    As far as they're concerned Obama get's his two terms then it'll be there turn.
    Just playin the game.
    And if (when) Romney loses they'll blame it on him being too conservative and they'll run some half-ass socialist next time around.
    The only way politicians get more power is through increasingly larger and larger government.
    The only way to get a bigger government is to go left.
    It's all about more power.
    And I'm done being a useful idiot.
    Pretty much my take on things as well. Amazing how many folks still swallow up that (D) or (R) tripe, accept is as the absolute truth, smile and ask for more, innit?

    Lots of useful idiots in the electorate, I'm afraid.

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    I am an expert on these things and any GOP President will stem damage of the slow motion but speeding up train wreck which is the current Obama administration. I didn't think there could be any of that "one is the same as the other" anymore after the demonstration Obama has delivered.

    My bottom lines:
    Huntsman - very smart, very deep on almost every issue, but bad presentation and strategy so far. Pretty good record as governor.
    Perry - dry land farmer both in childhood and for 13 years after his Air Force stint. Big time gun guy and customer of Larue Tactical. I'm totally in the tank for this guy for his ideology, executive resume with the world's 13th largest economy and his shooting half moa groups from Larue OBRs.
    Romney - my last choice but would of course vote for him in the general if that's the deal.
    Newt - smart but not as smart as he thinks he is. No one is that smart. Stream of consciousness takes him to so many positions one's head spins. At the end of the day same as above last resort.
    Santorum - very well versed in just about every issue I've heard him tackle. May be too much for Independents he cannot win without over cultural issues. Maybe. Can't say for sure. Have heard he's sketchy on the 2nd amendment but I've missed the details on that so the charge may be bogus.

    Paul - IMO a frightful hypocrite. Inserts HIS pork in spending bills, then votes against the bill and crows he never votes for spending (through 2011). His international world view is insane. Like he's never read The Looming Tower. I have listened to him make up US and world history as he goes to fit his poor rendition of Libertarian. His rep of bigotted newsletters is not a sudden scandal. I thought that vampire had that stake driven through long ago.

    But . . . by all means, vote your heart in the primaries. I'll be a Perry bitter ender. Men like this appear on the national stage RARELY. I mean a farmer? Air Force pilot? True gun nut? And someone who is a successful governor! Governors are key. Best prep for the Presidency.

    Bottom line: in the general use the left hemisphere and get the Marxist Leninist out of office.

    BTW, in the general campaign, debates are barely a factor historically. I can't say I've ever seen anyone PERFORM all that well (to my standards) except maybe the artful Clinton.

    And if the GOP doesn't learn to deal with the growing Latino portion of the population - without pandering - just avoid the obvious disdain - then we are done and Center-Left will rule for a long long time to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Here in NH, my impression is that Huntsman seems like the best of the current herd. He's been consistent, he thinks before he talks, and he doesn't pretend he has all the answers.
    I've listened to three extended interviews of him and he is strong. His campaign so far not so much. There a funny duality in this country. On the one hand we often hear we get the government we deserve because we elect it. But then, we go and blame the candidates when they don't sell themselves just so to make us want to buy them. We don't blame ourselves for being too thick to chose experience, principle, character etc over marketing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    I am an expert on these things...

    Paul - IMO a frightful hypocrite. Inserts HIS pork in spending bills, then votes against the bill and crows he never votes for spending (through 2011). His international world view is insane. Like he's never read The Looming Tower. I have listened to him make up US and world history as he goes to fit his poor rendition of Libertarian. His rep of bigotted newsletters is not a sudden scandal. I thought that vampire had that stake driven through long ago.
    Every politician is a hypocrite, as are most humans, and Ron Paul is much less of one than any other politician I know of.

    Cutting the number of earmarks does not cut spending. An earmark is a congressional provision that directs federal agencies to spend funds already authorized on specific projects. If the funds aren’t earmarked, the agencies can spend the money any way they see fit. That is, the executive branch, rather than Congress, will determine how the taxpayer’s money is spent. Earmarks make up less than two percent of the federal budget and fiscal conservatives should be spending more time and energy on more important spending programs.

    The government has already taken his constituents money and has allocated it to certain special projects. If he doesn't stand up and ask for their portion back he's doing a disservice to the people in his district. True free market supporters should stop bickering over the way less than two percent of the budget is allocated and start focusing on scrapping whole departments, gutting the military industrial complex, and privatizing entitlements.

    Please watch this, Ron Paul speaking about earmarks...


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    I've heard that explanation. But why not vote for the spending bill then? Wouldn't that be the higher integrity thing to do? That's where I get the hypocrisy thing. And I sure hope I don't piss anyone off unduly, I love to bash on this stuff.

    Oh and for more fun and to make it worse . . . I'm an unrepentant neocon to boot.
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