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Thread: Semantics: What *is* Point Shooting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    Thank you. I have been lurking around this thread, trying to form a coherent thought.
    I have lasers on one of my J-frames, and my Px4 compact.
    What I do is point the pistol at a spot on the wall, then turn on the laser to see how close I am.
    At close ranges, if I'm within a foot, I figure I can hit center of mass. Usually it's within a few inches
    That's my concept of "point shooting."
    Where is your primary focus? The spot on the wall I assume. Do you see your sights? Is the gun brought into the line of sight between your eye and the point you intend to hit? Or is the gun held below eyeline but visible?

    I practiced early on using a laser but on continuously to show where the gun was pointed throughout the draw and presentation similar to what you describe. Some of that I consider point shooting and some may fall into sighted shooting depending on a persons definition. If you don't have a laser equipped gun or the laser fails and you use the same technique do you consider it still point shooting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by octagon View Post
    @Jay Cunningham since it has been over a month since you started the thread and a decent amount of responses are you planning on doing something with the information or just posted it to see if there was any consistency in defining what point shooting is? I'm just curious as the topic is swaying off the original question and usually turns into heated debate. In looking through the responses I didn't see any real consensus on a definition. It is a shame because without an agreed upon definition of a term there can be no discussion on merit or lack of,ways to improve or change it etc. It is similar to defining pornography in that the person viewing knows it when they see it. Maybe that is why there is so much controversy when the topic comes up.

    The weird thing about it is that everyone who is a defensive shooter should be practicing some form of point shooting even in the strictest sense of defining it( Gun held well below the line of sight, outside cone of main vision,with no ability to line up the sights or gun within eye to point of intended impact line, i.e. retention positions). At the same time I never hear anyone recommending it for distance shooting(with a handgun) again regardless of how it is defined.

    The controversy would seem to be in defining the term and where it is used or not.
    I'm not sure if I have a follow-up. My initial thought has certainly proven true: there are many, many interpretations of the concept.
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    I see what you mean. Maybe an anonymous poll/survey with a bit more limited choices could help with the definition. Or maybe nothing will ever bring consensus. I will say that I am curious regardless how each person defines what point shooting is to them where they use it and/or when?

    Thanks for broaching the subject in the first place.
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    My personal view is that point shooting is shooting without visual reference on the gun.

    So in my opinion, the old speed rock technique would be point shooting, as would Southnarc's #2 position and similar retention shooting positions.

    I do not consider (for instance) Southnarc's #3 position or similar compressed ready positions to be point shooting, as there is a visual reference on the top of the slide by way of peripheral vision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octagon View Post
    Where is your primary focus? The spot on the wall I assume. Do you see your sights? Is the gun brought into the line of sight between your eye and the point you intend to hit? Or is the gun held below eyeline but visible?

    I practiced early on using a laser but on continuously to show where the gun was pointed throughout the draw and presentation similar to what you describe. Some of that I consider point shooting and some may fall into sighted shooting depending on a persons definition. If you don't have a laser equipped gun or the laser fails and you use the same technique do you consider it still point shooting?
    To me, point shooting would be the quickest defensive pistol use I could engage in.
    Short range, to stop a close quarter confrontation, at ranges of a few feet to a few yards.
    I use the laser to test how well I can point the gun instinctively.
    The goal of this type of shooting isn't to hit a bullseye at 10 yards, but rather hit center of mass on an approaching BG.
    Doubtful I could even fully extend my arms in such a scenario.
    I've done paper plates at 7' and I've probably cheated by using the J-frame laser on those. My vision is such that I can't really focus on sights without my glasses on, and then the target goes fuzzy. Hence the laser(s).

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