Agreed. I train with 147gr Lawman. Feels just like my carry ammo.
Agreed. I train with 147gr Lawman. Feels just like my carry ammo.
Lawman is our usual PD practice fodder. It's good – certainly better than much of the feeble crap that passes for 9mm practice ammo – but it doesn't really approximate carry ammo in 124+P flavor (standard pressure 124 or 147 is probably a lot closer).
Out of a G17, 124 Lawman usually runs right around 1100 for me, whereas 124+P Gold Dot consistently hits 1250+, and prints around 2" lower for me at 25 yards than Lawman. (Fortunately, the Gold Dot is hitting POA, while Lawman goes a little high.)
For comparison, multiple lots of Winchester NATO 124 have averaged 1170-1180 in my guns.
I'm content using Lawman for most of my training, but I tend to begin and end each session with a mag of either Gold Dot or NATO. There is a noticeable, but not dramatic difference in recoil.
Last edited by Joe Mac; 06-25-2017 at 03:13 AM.
I've been running the 147 load as practice fodder for my Berettas. POI is pretty much right on (then again, I suck) for my meager skills
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Speer Lawman 147gr out of the X-Carry looks like it runs about 50fps slower than 147gr HST out of similar length barrels according to the limited data I have here. Lawman 125gr .357SIG was a full 100fps slower out of my Glock 32 than the Win 125gr Ranger I fired at the same range session.
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I’ve tried blazer 147 and found it dirty and inconsistent. I still have a few hundred rounds of it I need to dispose of. I won’t be using blazer again. I don’t view it as much like lawman, quality wise, at all.
My understanding is that is the point of the Lawman line - to give organizations a training round that will have the same recoil impulse as their duty load does.
Lawman is probably my favorite training load, but usually I go for the cheaper options as I don't feel the need for 100% of the impulse as that important to me.
I have also shot a great deal of Blazer Brass ammo. One thing I have noticed about it, versus other budget loads, is that it is not clean to the point where there is some of the powder that forms a grit. When I practice my retention drills at 1 yard, I notice quite a bit of "peppering" around the bullet hole in addition to the little swirl around the hole. Lawman, as well as most other training loads are much cleaner.