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Thread: US Navy Destroyer Severely Damaged in Collision

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    https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...-what-we-know/

    Appears that the tanker was communicating, frigate had AIS turned off.

    Tanker 10x the size of the frigate.

  2. #212
    Somebody gots some "splaining" to do...

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    I know nothing is as simple as it looks, but doesn’t “If the relative bearing isn’t changing(or changing fast enough), and they’re getting bigger, eventually there’s going to be a problem” usually work pretty well?

    The tanker track is here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=izbXbQ1Shmk

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    More info regarding the USS Fitzgerald collision. Pretty depressing. There are several more articles shown at the bottom of the linked page.
    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...l-that-hit-it/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog Guy View Post
    More info regarding the USS Fitzgerald collision. Pretty depressing. There are several more articles shown at the bottom of the linked page.
    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...l-that-hit-it/
    Sad. 17 years of freaking war, PowerPoint training... Perfect storm of bovine scatology it seems.

    Sadly, I’m not going to hold my breath for actual solutions. Just a bunch if gum flapping and carpet sweeping.

  7. #217
    Between this and Fat Leonard, I’m concerned for the modern state of the USNs management.
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    There are several crucial issues for the navy:

    1. The number of ships and whether funding will exist to come up to needed levels. The analyses are very shaky on this. Subs and surface ships are lacking.
    2. The building of useless ships sapping funds like the Zumwalts and LCS.
    3. Catch up in frigate design as the LCS sucks. Might need a foreign hull
    4. Really being behind the curve on surface warfare capabilities. Russia, China and India have a clear lead in missile ability. That was because we focused on chasing camels.
    5. Vulnerability of the big carriers and shrunken range of current planes
    6. Then there are the associated personnel issues with expansion, retention, etc.
    7. The high level command structure are the ones who made such crappy plans (not to criticize all but some ...).

    If you are interested in such the USNI had some really good reports on us and our potential adversaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GardoneVT View Post
    Between this and Fat Leonard, I’m concerned for the modern state of the USNs management.
    Decay of the surface fleet has been happening since the end of the Cold War. I saw it beginning before I got out in '92. Over the last quarter century plus, the surface Navy hasn't done much except launch aircraft and drop bombs in the desert. Every other capability has been allowed to lapse into near incompetence. One of those is my former field, anti-submarine warfare. Wait until the first time a Chinese or Russian submarine sticks a torpedo up a carriers ass, then watch the panic and finger pointing ensue. The current surface Navy can't seem to handle basic navigation of the sea lanes, let alone warfighting against a peer power. Some time within the next decade, a lot of sailors are going to die because of that neglect. Our next war is going to big a big scale navy war and we aren't close to being ready. My youngest son and his wife are both currently serving in the USN. He isn't going to stay in, but she's on the fence. I've strongly advised her to get out. I don't want any of my kids dying because of mass incompetence.
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    There have been reports of diesel subs taking down carriers for years. The navy had a Swedish sub on the West Coast for training and it was very successful against the carriers. The Norwegians and Canadians with older subs have periscope pictures of the carriers. IIRC, such successes were not allowed in maneuvers after awhile.

    A Chinese sub did it to the Reagan: https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...craft-carrier/

    From memory, there was a war game with Iran vs. the US Navy in the Gulf and in the first run through, the US Admiral playing Iran won decisively. The exercise was 'run again' to correct errors.

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