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Thread: AAR: Tom Givens 2-Day Combative Pistol, Everett WA June 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_Jenkins View Post
    Great meeting you jlw.

    I signed up for Tac Con '18; if you are going next year, I'll see you in LR.
    I'll be presenting again.
    I had an ER nurse in a class. I noticed she kept taking all head shots. Her response when asked why, "'I've seen too many people who have been shot in the chest putting up a fight in the ER." Point taken.

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    I can personally recommend JLW's presentation, if it is similar, and him as an excellent presenter.
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    It was an amazing class. I took the Instructor Development class the weekend before so I was well primed. And while there was some overlap in information presented, Tom has this class tailored for defensive use of the pistol. As others have said above, Tom provides the "Why" behind everything. The shooting drills he uses are excellent building blocks to improve skills. I've taken quite a few different classes, and this was easily the most useful for the concealed carrier. And a big bonus for me was taking it with my son!

    And I would have won the casino drill if it wasn't for that darn JLW!

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    Just a final few words on the training facility, West Coast Armory North.

    http://www.westcoastarmorynorth.com/

    This range is located about 30 minutes N of Seattle on the East side.

    They have a large, well stocked retail operation as well as indoor range.

    The upper level classroom we used was generously sized for our 18 person class. The indoor range Bay was clean and well lit. Facilities were first rate.

    I had occasion to watch the public line range staff a bit, and everyone was extremely professional and helpful at the public counter.

    As a bonus to the class participants, we were all entered as Bronze members of the range for a year, which was a nice touch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_Jenkins View Post
    Key Takeaways

    I've had a few days to ruminate on this class.

    As personal context, the bulk of my 32 year Systems Engineering industry experience was in Instructional Systems Design for US and foreign government entities. I feel, and continue to feel, this was one of the best educational experiences I've ever had.

    The thoughts below are distilled from my class notes, and as well as my hazy 58-year old memory will allow. I've chosen to group and arrange them in my perceived order of importance in firearms training: Mindset first, Skillset second, and Toolset last.

    Mindset

    No one is coming to save you. Be polite, but evaluate every contact as if you might have to shoot them. Don't get complacent just because someone doesn't fit the “dangerous” stereotype. You can get killed by the oddest people.

    Carry your gun on a routine, daily, habitual basis, every fucking day. The first rule of a gunfight, is to have a gun.

    Spend a lot of training time on what you do often; a fair bit against that which is not common, and cover the rare things occasionally. You don't expect a malfunction, but if you have one, you don't want that to be the first time you realize you need to do a Tap Rack Bang.

    Do not have “Range Rules” or “Street Rules” - just have “Safety Rules.” There is no backstop at the WalMart Parking Lot.

    Accuracy is Critical – only hits count. You have the rest of your life to miss. Don't.

    With a pistol, basically all you have is a 3/8” drill to make holes in things. Use the bumpy things on the slide, line them up in the window, and press straight back. Every single time. Otherwise you are pissing in the wind.

    Skillset

    Shoot close targets quickly, mid-range targets carefully, and small targets precisely.

    Incorporate movement into your practice. Sidestep as you perform your presentations. If you can get two what the fucks from dude, you will be ahead of the game.

    Look for opportunities to practice your skills as part of your daily routine. In the morning, holster up, like you mean it. When you put your gun down on the nightstand, draw to the ready, like you mean it. If you do this daily, you will have 730 good, solid repetitions, annually. These will build up.

    If you find shooting low and away, move your trigger finger away from frame to avoid steering rounds. (I tried it. Damn. It works.)

    Do not have “gun-specific” techniques.

    Toolset

    Carry a familiar, reliable, accurate gun with adequate magazine capacity.

    Take care of your ammo. Don't buy the bottom of the barrel. Don't chamber duty ammo more than twice before tossing it into the range bin.




    Well, that's about it as far as the first set of thoughts.

    I am still working on what changes I am going to make to my equipment, as well as my training regimen.

    I already concluded my P30SK is the wrong carry gun for EDC. It has inadequate mag capacity, a propensity for hanging up mags during reloads, and I found the LEM difficult to shoot well under stress.

    I've already started to work on daily carry options for my VP9, and I need to go back and look at my dry practice regimen in light of the class. This will handily solve my "carry gun" and "competition gun", as they will be the "same gun".

    I may also make a change in terms of how I was planning to approach competition, as in, I may opt to draw from concealment during matches. I need to re-think my mag carriers, both for USPSA, as well as an option for a reload on the street, as my BT double mag pouches sucked, really, and don't work well for either.

    Bottom line, I kind of wished I'd taken this class a couple years ago.
    Excellent summary!! Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD View Post
    I can personally recommend JLW's presentation, if it is similar, and him as an excellent presenter.
    Thank you for the kind words. I'll be doing two live fire blocks this year.
    I had an ER nurse in a class. I noticed she kept taking all head shots. Her response when asked why, "'I've seen too many people who have been shot in the chest putting up a fight in the ER." Point taken.

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    Great AAR, Rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw View Post
    Thank you for the kind words. I'll be doing two live fire blocks this year.
    On the other hand that will be humiliating. Soft pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD View Post
    On the other hand that will be humiliating. Soft pass.
    Why would it be humiliating?
    I had an ER nurse in a class. I noticed she kept taking all head shots. Her response when asked why, "'I've seen too many people who have been shot in the chest putting up a fight in the ER." Point taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw View Post
    Why would it be humiliating?
    Just joshing, but I would expect your demos to be challenging.

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