The ammo used is factory Speer Lawman 124grain FMJ training ammo. Some of the P229s also had issues with the duty Speer Gold Dot 124 grain. Yet there were no issues with this same "training" ammo with the previous SIG P228s. They current Glock 19 is also having zero problems.Originally Posted by MSparks909
Last edited by Kram; 05-24-2017 at 07:25 AM.
Well that certainly puts a different spin on it. Just about every department I know of in NJ uses the Lawman ammo for training since most carry GD duty ammo. State contract don't you know. This is certainly not poor quality ammo.
The Sig letter refers to the guns being modified per the NJSP request. I wonder what modifications were requested and if unmodified 229’s run with no issues.
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The guns were the Enhanced Elite P229's with external extractor. Front strap checkering, night sights, SRT trigger, beaver tail, FCS, etc. The issued guns were no different then those sold on the commercial market. The trigger pull was not altered or changed either. They had the standard 10LB/4.5LB pull.
The abysmal concept and implementation of the long external MIM extractor raises its ugly head again.
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So S&W has had the external extractor figured out since the implimentation of the Mdl 39 but Sig can't? Shame on you Sig.
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All my Sigs have the short legacy extractor (P220R, P226R, P229R) and have always extracted strong and true, though my P226 did double-feed a few times before I learned to lubricate it properly.. Over time, it has become clear that the new extractor design is inferior. I wonder if they'll ever go back.
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Wow. Yeah if they won't run on Lawman then something is definitely at fault with the guns. I figured they were .40S&W or .357Sig 229s that were messing up.
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Does anybody know if there's differences in the rail vs non-rail frames that might mechanically make one stronger than the other (like beretta and straight vs slant dust covers)?
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Were there ever MIM short extractors? Or are they all machined?
My understanding was that the design of the short extractor precluded the use of MIM. (I guess b/c it's too small?) So they designed the long extractor from the ground up as a MIM solution. Not sure if that's 100% correct though.
There was a batch or two of 220 MIM extractors, but it had high failure rates due to MIM binder sometimes bunching up in the leg. From what I understand they never attempted it with the rest of the Classic P series.
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