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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer View Post
    How long did it take the Japanese? Plus they have years of experience from the USA, UK and Japan to read up on.
    Well, AFAIK, the Soviets never really figured it out, and the Russians still haven't; the UK and the French might have it down a bit better, but I suspect that the Brits are still kinda meh, given how the Invincible class was such a small platform with a different role than the Nimitz class. The logistics train is by far the hardest part, is my understanding. WW2 carrier doctrine is probably only applicable in broad strokes these days, given the advances in C4ISTAR, and the Devil is always in the details.
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    Joke all you want about the performance compared to US carriers, just like we mock their space program for lacking innovation or new technology. But the experience China gains in planning, developing, building and operating large programs like this is really where the danger lies for the US. These are many of the same management and control skills needed to wage large scale warfare.

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    Naval Air: China Embraces Reality
    January 5, 2017: China continues to create a carrier aviation capability and to the consternation of neighbors and the United States, the Chinese are doing it the only way known to work. That is, one step at a time, with persistence and a willingness to learn from mistakes and quickly adapt. There is no fast-track to creating a carrier aviation capability and the Chinese apparently understood that from the beginning.

    ...Back in late 2015, there was confirmation that China was indeed building a second aircraft carrier. The design is apparently based on the Liaoning. In other words a 65,000 ton, 305 meters (999 feet) long ship that is actually a modified version of the last Cold War Russian carrier design. China also confirmed that the new carrier would also have the ski jump deck like Liaoning.

    The Liaoning spent over a year on sea trials and by early 2016 entered regular service as a training carrier. Since its 2012 commissioning Liaoning has been used for training and getting experience with carrier operations. During that time Liaoning began flight operations in November 2012 and these were such a success that the Chinese built “carrier fighter” J-15 (a Su-27 variant) eventually participated in these carrier operations. In 2013 China confirmed that the Liaoning will primarily be a training carrier but will be capable of combat operations. The Chinese apparently plan to station up to 24 jet fighters and 26 helicopters on the Liaoning and use the ship to train pilots and other specialists for additional carriers. Meanwhile, the Liaoning will also be staffed and equipped as a combat ship as well but it is officially a training carrier and will spend most of its sea time training crews and pilots for the new carriers as well as ship crews for the carriers and their escorts.

    Liaoning began as one of the two Kuznetsov class carriers that Russia began building in the 1980s. Originally the Kuznetsovs were to be 90,000 ton nuclear powered ships (the Ulanovsk class), similar to American Nimitz class carriers (complete with steam catapults). Instead, because of the high cost and the complexity of modern (American style) carriers, the Russians were forced to scale back their plans and ended up with 65,000 ton (full load) ships that lacked steam catapults and used a ski jump type flight deck instead. Nuclear power was dropped but the Kuznetsovs were still a formidable design.
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