Hammer fired guns in a Striker fired world

[HopetonBrown]

a well tuned TDA gives more driving "feel" and choices of performance under the driver's control. If your first shot needs tiny precision, cock the hammer. Things getting tense mid fight? Decock the hammer. Things getting hairy and losing balance? Put your finger behind the trigger (when the hammer is down)

Is anyone here actually doing any of this with a semi?

[Trooper224]

Is anyone here actually doing any of this with a semi?

I hope not.

[medmo]

Hammers. I also have been all over the map and sincerely tried to stick with striker type actions. It was quite the journey. Since the advent of the Beretta Px4 Compact Carry the journey has a happy ending.

[That Guy]

Is anyone here actually doing any of this with a semi?

I've tried to formulate a response that would rise to the quality of discussion this forum deserves. But I just don't seem have it in me. So, short and blunt response: I really doubt it. The practices outlined in that quote are pretty much the opposite of what I shall, for the lack of a better term, call the P-F doctrine on the use of the TDA pistol.

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[PX4 Storm Tracker]

I've tried to formulate a response that would rise to the quality of discussion this forum deserves. But I just don't seem have it in me. So, short and blunt response: I really doubt it. The practices outlined in that quote are pretty much the opposite of what I shall, for the lack of a better term, call the P-F doctrine on the use of the TDA pistol.

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Please clarify what you are referring to as the opposite of P-F doctrine...

[spinmove_]

Please clarify what you are referring to as the opposite of P-F doctrine...

If your first shot needs tiny precision, cock the hammer. Things getting tense mid fight? Decock the hammer. Things getting hairy and losing balance? Put your finger behind the trigger (when the hammer is down) and have a grip that can't lose the pistol and no chance of accidental or negligent discharge. So many options!

You also can't argue with double strike capability!

With a TDA pistol your first shot should ALWAYS be in DA regardless of situation.

You will not have time to decock in the middle of a string of shots to then immediately continue firing.

If your finger is not on the trigger face (because you haven’t made the conscious decision to fire and/or your sights aren’t on target) then it should be outside of the trigger guard, preferably in a high register either on the frame or the slide. No exceptions.

I also can argue with double strike capability because if the cartridge doesn’t go off when I pull the trigger on a semi-auto TDA pistol then its time to initiate remedial action. Tap. Rack. Bang. You don’t have time to keep pressing the trigger on a malfunctioning round.


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[PX4 Storm Tracker]

With a TDA pistol your first shot should ALWAYS be in DA regardless of situation.

You will not have time to decock in the middle of a string of shots to then immediately continue firing.

If your finger is not on the trigger face (because you haven’t made the conscious decision to fire and/or your sights aren’t on target) then it should be outside of the trigger guard, preferably in a high register either on the frame or the slide. No exceptions.

I also can argue with double strike capability because if the cartridge doesn’t go off when I pull the trigger on a semi-auto TDA pistol then its time to initiate remedial action. Tap. Rack. Bang. You don’t have time to keep pressing the trigger on a malfunctioning round.


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So very dogmatic and written as if you are the final authority. Having no idea of my background or training you have judged according to what you have learned and your opinion. Yet, you do not express it as your opinion but as a commandment.
Is that then, the way P-F doctrine works?

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

Thumb cocking a DA/SA gun, decocking “mid-fight” because it’s getting “tense”, and putting your finger behind the trigger for any reason. Also, while we’re at it, using an Uncle Mike’s style sausage sack wrapped with assorted adhesive material as a holster.

Wow. Not a very friendly thread.

[spinmove_]

So very dogmatic and written as if you are the final authority. Having no idea of my background or training you have judged according to what you have learned and your opinion. Yet, you do not express it as your opinion but as a commandment.
Is that, then the way P-F doctrine works?

I think “P-F Doctrine” wasn’t the best choice of words. That being said, if you were to ask any of the high level TDA users and trainers around, some of whom are around here (Daryl Bolke, Ernest Langdon, Mike Pannone, etc.) I’d bet my next paycheck they’d agree with me 100%.

But you’re right. I don’t know you nor do I know the level of your training. What I can tell you is that what you wrote are most definitely not standard best practices and whomever taught you what you wrote probably shouldn’t be teaching in any official capacity if that is SOP for how they run a TDA pistol. Its unsafe, unrealistic, and generally not recognized as a good way to go about doing things in a serious or practical manner.

I’m most definitely not the end-all be-all on this subject, so if anyone else wishes to chime in to confirm or call BS on my thoughts on this, by all means, be my guest.


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[MSparks909]

So very dogmatic and written as if you are the final authority. Having no idea of my background or training you have judged according to what you have learned and your opinion. Yet, you do not express it as your opinion but as a commandment.
Is that then, the way P-F doctrine works?

Hostility to opinions different than yours is definitely not the way PF works. Instead of getting defensive a better approach might be to explore the reasons and logic that Spinmove wrote rather than getting into an internet...measuring contest over who’s had more training, etc. Just a friendly suggestion.