Lucky Gunner 38 & 357 ammo video

[NerdAlert]

Based on what? The 12" figure used by the FBI is based on different testing criteria. It's been mentioned here a couple times the gel itself is very different, that temperature changes the results, and from what I can tell the calibration data is often missing entirely.

It's not enough to mix up some jello, shoot some bullets into it, and post a video to youtube. You can't just pick and choose which parts of the formal testing criteria to pay attention to and expect the numbers to mean anything.

I'm sure it's fun and people enjoy doing it, but this is cargo cult testing.

Not really based on anything I guess. Just my own opinion, way out of my lane. I shouldn't have said anything. Thanks for pointing it out, you're completely right.


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[Eastex]

It's not enough to mix up some jello, shoot some bullets into it, and post a video to youtube. You can't just pick and choose which parts of the formal testing criteria to pay attention to and expect the numbers to mean anything.

I'm sure it's fun and people enjoy doing it, but this is cargo cult testing.

I'm reminded of the story of Tom Landry complaining to Ted Schram about the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders being "pornographic" when they first started up. Tex called him down to his office and started the tape of Debbie Does Dallas and told him "this" is pornographic!
I don't know Chris at Lucky Gunner personally but if you think their videos are just "cargo cult testing" slapped up on YouTube I can post some links to some real cargo cult testing on YouTube if you'll promise to watch them all the way through.



Hell bent on being intentionally anachronistic

[entropy]

Everything is a tool for your toolbox.

[DocGKR]

If Lucky Gunner is going to go to the time and expense to produce these videos, why not do it correctly so the data is meaningful and comparable to other relevant studies?

[blues]

If Lucky Gunner is going to go to the time and expense to produce these videos, why not do it correctly so the data is meaningful and comparable to other relevant studies?

I think that's a very fair question. I hope someone here has access to get that info.

[spinmove_]

If Lucky Gunner is going to go to the time and expense to produce these videos, why not do it correctly so the data is meaningful and comparable to other relevant studies?

That's what I was thinking. Is it really that much more expensive to procure, setup, test, and maintain the appropriate FBI spec ballistics gelatin vs using clear ballistics gel?


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[Nephrology]

If Lucky Gunner is going to go to the time and expense to produce these videos, why not do it correctly so the data is meaningful and comparable to other relevant studies?

Part of me thinks it's because they make for good photos, the other part thinks they just don't know any better.

You could always drop them a line and see if they'd be amenable to input. They certainly do put a lot of effort into it.

[Tamara]

He does awesome stuff. Seems like a real down to earth dude.

Chris is good people.

[45dotACP]

If Lucky Gunner is going to go to the time and expense to produce these videos, why not do it correctly so the data is meaningful and comparable to other relevant studies?

Chris is a member here. You could ask him.

[SAWBONES]

I take all these gelatin test reports with several dozen "grains of salt".

FBI-protocol ballistic gelatin approximates the density and viscosity of hog muscle.

Clear ballistic gel is similar but admittedly not identical.

A human being's torso has elastic skin, pectoral or abdominal muscle, sternum and rib bone, aerated lung tissue, tough elastic great vessels and cardiac muscle; how in the world does anyone consider that all of that equates to hog muscle in predicting bullet performance as regards a defensive shooting?

We value gelatin tests because they give reproducible results, but c'mon, beyond taking penetration depth and bullet expansion reliability and expanded diameter as merely-very-approximate indicators of actual bullet performance in human tissue, they really don't predict anything about effectiveness, at least not in any way that we can generalize, or assume any sort of guaranteed applicability.

I appreciate Chris' efforts on Lucky Gunner, and am pleased to see that (for instance) Federal HST JHP loads in both 9mm and .45 Auto penetrate and expand well and reliably in their tests, and also in those using FBI protocol gelatin.