DotW 12: SWYNTS

[LOKNLOD]

Managed to sneak out to the range for about an hour's worth of daylight this afternoon. Time constraint and amount of ammo i took with me did play into this drill a bit...

• starting position (concealed, duty, open holster, or ready position) -- HK P30 LEM from Shaggy concealed under a halfzip fleece.
• total time and score for string 1 -- 20.53 23/25
• total time and score for string 2 -- 26.72 22/25*
• total time and score for string 3 -- 40.67 23/25*
• any times you had to start over on a string due to misses: On the first 5-round group on the 2", my shots would have been a great grouping on the 6" circle. I nixed that run and started fresh. Also, on the very last 5-rd group of the 2" and 3x5", I put myself over the shot limit. I didn't have enough daylight and ammo to start over completely (and potentially shoot up all my ammo before getting to do anything else) so I shot an additional 5-shot group to replace it (and only it - I just replaced the last group, didn't cherry pick to replace the slowest or anything). On the 3x5, a 5.87 -0 replaced a 5.15 -1, and on the 2" circle, a 9.44 -0 (way slower than my other runs) replaced a 7.62 -3 (way to blow the whole drill all at once, dude). That took my total rounds to 90 fired (3 extra 5-shot runs).

I caught myself eye-sprinting really bad on the 2" circle segment. I think I've been doing it more than I realize, but the 2" circle really made me notice because with a hard front sight focus, the 2" circle might as well not be there (and yet I still it it. Clue?).

[CraigBos]

Being a newbie shooter and all that, I don't think I'm really ready for a drill like this.

Nevertheless, I felt like it would be a fun challenge, so here goes:

• Starting position: Ready position, no draws
• Total time and score for string 1: 34.85 sec, 22/25
• Total time and score for string 2: 49.9 sec, 17/25
• Total time and score for string 3: 77.8 sec, 19/25
• Any times you had to start over on a string due to misses: I did restart string 2, and shot it slower and less accurately the second time!

I elected to keep it light and easy on the restarts (i.e. don't really do them). I felt OK about the 6 inch and 2 inch circles. But I definitely didn't shoot up to my (admittedly minimal) skills on the 3x5.

Back to dry-fire, 3x5, and dummy-ball drills, yay!

[ToddG]

CraigBos -- The question I'd ask is this: if I asked you to fire 30 rounds at a 2" circle 5yd away with absolutely no time limit, could you hit it consistently? If the answer is yes, then I'd suggest going back and doing the drill as intended. It's not about seeing if you can get your hits at a given speed, it's about seeing how much time/precision you need to get the hits. There's absolutely nothing wrong if your 2" string take six minutes. It's a baseline.

If you cannot hit a 2" circle on demand, which is certainly nothing to be ashamed of for a beginner, then you're correct that more time needs to be devoted to working the slowfire fundamentals.

[CraigBos]

CraigBos -- The question I'd ask is this: if I asked you to fire 30 rounds at a 2" circle 5yd away with absolutely no time limit, could you hit it consistently? If the answer is yes, then I'd suggest going back and doing the drill as intended. It's not about seeing if you can get your hits at a given speed, it's about seeing how much time/precision you need to get the hits. There's absolutely nothing wrong if your 2" string take six minutes. It's a baseline.

If you cannot hit a 2" circle on demand, which is certainly nothing to be ashamed of for a beginner, then you're correct that more time needs to be devoted to working the slowfire fundamentals.

OK, I'll give it another try. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to get a valid score on the 3x5, and I'll take another whack at the 2". Regardless, I definitely need to devote more time to slow fire fundamentals!

Thanks!

BTW, what does SWYNTS stand for? (Probably something like, "Only a Noob Would Ask What This Abbreviation Stands For," right?)

[Corey]

M&P full size 9mm. Strong side holster with open front cover garment. Started with hands at sides.

String one: 20.33 score: 23
String two: 22.67 score: 23
String three: 39.46 score 25

No restarts!

The last stage eye was having a terrible problem with eye sprinting. *My eye sprinting seems tied to the difficulty of the shot.

Just my guess, but I think the name of drill stands for See What You Need To See, or See What You Need To Shoot. I am sure Todd will correct me if I am wrong.

[JV_]

BTW, what does SWYNTS stand for?

See What You Need To See, which is about getting a 'good enough' sight picture so that you get your hit, you don't necessarily need a "perfect" sight picture.

You need a much more refined sight picture to hit the 2" circle than you do for a 5" circle.

[EmanP]

Concealed Gen 3 G17. Went slow enough to "guarantee good hits" and still failed 4 times. No restarts.
I thought the splits were extremely useful to know what it takes for those different size targets to hit them every time vs a it's mostly there sight picture

Shooting very carefully
String 1
1.50/30/22/25/23 - 2.50
1.50/33/21/23/22 - 2.49
1.52/26/20/22/21 - 2.41
1.61/26/46/28/21 - 2.82 Short stroked the trigger on the 3rd shot. So that's how much it costs!
1.53/28/20/23/21 - 2.45
Total 12.67

String 2
1.77/44/37/38/36 - 3.32
1.55/38/35/34/34 - 2.96
1.62/32/33/30/29 - 2.86 (-1)
1.74/35/32/33/34 - 3.08
1.55/42/31/33/30 - 2.91
Total 15.13 (-1)

String 3
2.02/65/63/59/52 - 4.41 (-1)
1.97/61/58/55/57 - 4.28
2.07/59/58/55/57 - 4.36 (-1)
1.90/58/50/58/60 - 4.25
2.07/53/48/49/48 - 4.05 (-1)
Total 21.35 (-3)



Every string seemed slow to me so I tried it again. This time I just shot it like I would shoot it if just told to do it without any stipulations. The results tell me that I can shot it faster, I was just trying to pause between shots to confirm things which is costing me just a bit of time and I can shoot string 3 quicker. I guess I was being conservative because it was 2". It's interesting to note that both times on String one the splits between the 1st and 2nd shots were always longer than the other. Clearly I'm doing something I'm not quite aware of.

Shooting with a good enough sight picture. This was useful for me to know despite the instruction.
String 1
1.57/24/21/18/22 - 2.42 (-1)
1.31/22/21/20/21 - 2.15 (-1)
1.35/24/16/20/18 - 2.13
1.33/23/18/21/20 - 2.15 (-1)
1.35/23/20/18/20 - 2.16 (-1)
Total 11.01 (-4)

String 2
1.69/31/30/29/28 - 2.87 (-2)
1.59/28/28/26/26 - 2.67
1.59/30/29/25/27 - 2.70 (-1)
1.54/32/29/27/28 - 2.70
1.55/27/27/25/26 - 2.60 (-3)
Total 13.54 (-6)

String 3
1.89/48/41/40/42 - 3.60 (-2)
1.88/48/42/41/41 - 3.60
1.64/46/40/42/36 - 3.28 (-1)
1.89/49/42/45/38 - 3.63 (-1)
Total 17.48 (-5)

(Some of the tape from previous rounds came off on the 3x5)

[C45P312]

The 26662 target you used is the right size, but the FAST target is supposed to be printed on legal paper.

Alright thanks. I guess I should have measured everything before the did the drill. I was wondering my times were semi-slow. Not saying I'm a really good shooter, but I kept contemplating why I couldn't have shot the card faster.

[CraigBos]

See What You Need To See, which is about getting a 'good enough' sight picture so that you get your hit, you don't necessarily need a "perfect" sight picture.

You need a much more refined sight picture to hit the 2" circle than you do for a 5" circle.

Of course. Thanks!

I went for a fun shoot today with my son, Dad, and brother. Not much disciplined drilling, but I did manage to get a valid SWYNTS time on the 3x5.

From ready position, 33 seconds, 3 misses.

Hopefully, I'll get a score on the 2" circle next time out.

[ToddG]

Week 12 is now closed.

Week 13 has been posted.