Slightly rhetorical, but did they say why they didnt just carry a battle rifle instead?Originally Posted by GJM
Slightly rhetorical, but did they say why they didnt just carry a battle rifle instead?
In this thread DB discussed his experience selecting slugs for car barricaded suspects as well as actually shooting out a street lamp with slugs. I would assume the slugs were selected for that but you can ask him:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....t-kind-and-why
My home and duty shotguns stay loaded with Flite Control. For home purposes, I don't even have slugs in my ammo carrier. Flite Control will handle any problem I can foresee handling with it. If not, my levergun is readily available.
I did just lay in a supply of Brenneke slugs for my duty gun. They will be available for when we are hunting folks in vehicles; otherwise the work 870 will stay loaded with Flite Control. There's an AR in the rack right next to it. I also bring friends with rifles...
I had an ER nurse in a class. I noticed she kept taking all head shots. Her response when asked why, "'I've seen too many people who have been shot in the chest putting up a fight in the ER." Point taken.
My home shotgun is loaded with 00 buck. I do keep a round of #4 shot (not buck) for the switcharoo drill if my dogs get into it with some varmint at night.
Thinking about the OP more, I think this was more of a thing prior to patrol rifles. Our patrol shotguns were loaded with 00, but had slugs in the side saddles. The thinking, as I remember it, was that officers could switch to slugs or reload with slugs if 00 wasn't getting the job done. AFAIK the theory was never tested in reality and it probably would have been a shit show mix of buck and slugs going downrange anyway.
"Gunfighting is a thinking man's game. So we might want to bring thinking back into it."-MDFA
Beware of my temper, and the dog that I've found...
Randy, thank you. Any idea of the year?
Thank you. DB and I were on the phone a bit as I was posting these requests across the net.
jlw - work & home shotguns are fed differently. The work gun is now exclusively loaded with Brennekes for vehicle focused problems;
Hambo - I understand your thoughts about this being pre-patrol rifle. I'm constantly amazed though at how still not yet universal patrol rifles are. Its been 24 years since my agency got rifles and just a day over twenty years since North Hollywood ... and I still see posts, emails, etc asking how to get rifles approved and programs started.
When I get this all done, I post the wording of the write up I do in case some one needs it.
And thanks to every one for their input.
I hear ya. My scale of likeliness tilts more towards entry than take downs. If it went the other way, I'd be running slugs constantly in a shotgun.
I had an ER nurse in a class. I noticed she kept taking all head shots. Her response when asked why, "'I've seen too many people who have been shot in the chest putting up a fight in the ER." Point taken.
Some of us have aged-out of our employers' rather athletic, timed, patrol rifle quals, but can still fire the simpler shotgun qual whilst remaining standing on our hind legs. Plus, until quite recently, I would have had to keep the rifle cased, and locked-up in the trunk, except for a quite narrow range of specified circumstances, whereas the shotgun could, and still can, ride up-front, and deploying the shotgun has always been discretionary. Working straight nights, in the big city, the shotgun remains a viable weapon, overall.
Actually, my patrol rifle qual lapsed in 2004 or so, when I sold my Govt Carbine to an officer with younger eyes. When optics were eventually OK'ed, I assembled a new AR, based upon a BCM lightweight Middy Upper, but a fractured finger and tweaked knee kept me from attending mandated update training, so my certification to qual with a patrol rifle lapsed. I doubt my ability to complete the week-long re-certification, as getting to my feet, from prone, in a hurry, is problematic. Being in the twilight of my career, I would rather not compete for one of the too-few spots in the patrol rifle cert training.
I bought a Benelli M2, shortly before we hosted the recent Stupid Bowl, partly for the simplified ammo-switching capability, in light of the recent terroristic use of trucks. Had my assignment been to protect the crowds at Discovery Green, I would have loaded all Truball Penetrator Slugs, and kept a few rounds of 00 handy. I was, instead, assigned a few blocks away, so kept Buck in the tube, and slugs handy. (Two slugs are quite ready, in a kydex carrier on my right epaulet.) Another significant reason for buying the M2 was that my aging eyes really like the bold, squared-off Benelli rifle sights, with the wide rear notch. (Another quite welcome change, since I last carried an HK-era M1 Benelli on patrol during the Early Nineties, has been the Comfortech stock.)
In the distant past, I vaguely remember substituting #4 Buck, as the first round or two in the mag tube, from time to time, before going into small apartments and rooming houses. The select-slug method, as decribed in the original post, was not the method used; I preemptively changed the first round in the mag tube, before chambering anything. This was long ago, perhaps not done since the end of the Eighties.
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I work for an agency that has, literally, near limitless access to M4s, Mk18s, and good ammo. Yet, there are still only a SMALL handful (under 100) people in my agency worldwide who have authority to have full time access to carbines. Shotguns are issued one or two per office, and have to be secured in such a manner that they're functionally impossible to access quickly.
I do have an MP5KN, though, so that's in the cool guy category. Of course, they restrict us to using EXTREMELY subsonic JHP with it - even though we don't have suppressors in the field - because reasons... AND, it has to stay locked up in another agency's armory, because I'm clearly not cool enough to have it actually available should I need it...
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