Crooked Michael - "Flynn communicated with Russian officials about sanctions..."

[Baldanders]

lol.. gibbets cost money; pikes are cheap.

Bring back public impalement!

OK Vlad!

[blues]

Kind of rise above the fray guy? That wouldnt have gotten the job done here or gotten him elected. This country has been set on a course of self destruction by a bunch of politicians who either havent had a real or job or were born into a job, running a country.
This is all about money, money enriching deals who only benefit the elite and already rich. And they are fighting him tooth and nail. Hopefully he gets 8 years to straighten this mess out but his efforts will be hampered by the communist/democrats and RINOS. The beat scenario is for MAGA control of federal govt and push this revitalization fwd at full speed and prosecute all those involved in this entire effort to undermine a duly elected President.
I sincerely hope this prosecution spreads across all branches of the federal govt and the press.
Maybe at some point civility will be in order but not until the house has been cleaned.

I'm not talking about civility in my post that you quoted. I'm talking about law, the Constitution and ethics.

Nor do I feel that Trump represents a white knight come to put things right. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump, (and by extension Kushner and their cohort), are very much a part of that well heeled elite to which you refer. Though, apparently you think their perspective and agenda isn't jaundiced by the same self-interest as you characterize the others as having. Would that it were true.

[LittleLebowski]

To me, this is about dirty cops. They need to be made an example of.

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I'm not talking about civility in my post that you quoted. I'm talking about law, the Constitution and ethics.

Nor do I feel that Trump represents a white knight come to put things right. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump, (and by extension Kushner and their cohort), are very much a part of that well heeled elite to which you refer. Though, apparently you think their perspective and agenda isn't jaundiced by the same self-interest as you characterize the others as having. Would that it were true.

Maybe they are maybe they aren’t. I havent seen evidence of it. I think there is plenty of evidence involving currently or prior elected politicians using their positions/insider information to enrich theirselves at the expense of the average taxpayer.

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To me, this is about dirty cops. They need to be made an example of.

When I think dirty cops i think bribes not political motives. To me this is well beyond that.

[blues]

Maybe they are maybe they aren’t. I havent seen evidence of it. I think there is plenty of evidence involving currently or prior elected politicians using their positions/insider information to enrich theirselves at the expense of the average taxpayer.

Okay. I'm not going to judge Trump via the lens of what some other miscreant does or doesn't do. Nor do I want to beat a dead horse. Either the substance of what I posted in response to TCinVA's post makes sense and resonates, or it doesn't. No need to belabor it further.

[critter]

I agree with most everything stated above. (And I am one who abhors corruption and has done his part in uncovering and prosecuting it, up to and including government employees, law enforcement and agencies.)

That said, the evil conducted by these individuals and institutions is not in itself an exoneration of Trump. Trump must stand on his own record, which he tries at every turn to obfuscate.

I'd be much more comfortable with giving him a pass if he were more transparent. If he released the same information that I was obligated to provide, both as a condition of my federal employment, as well as in furtherance of my security clearances.

The president is a citizen and public servant and should be held to the same standards as those of us who also served.

Generally I do agree. Here's the thing from my perspective... from nearly the beginning of the campaign there was corruption and abuse of power directed against the guy... witch hunt after witch hunt horse shit investigations and the dumbest impeachment in history. The debate over corruption and abuse of power is 'to what extent' and 'how high does it really go' rather than 'did it exist.' Virtually the entire mainstream propaganda machine has been 90% an arm of political 'investigation,' TDS rants, mudslinging, and prevaricated attacks. I wouldn't give them anything either. Nothing.

It's not a case where 'if you have nothing to hide...' It's the case where no matter what you do they make up shit and run with it 24/7.

That doesn't mean I approve of everything Trump. I do wish he'd stay in his lane, shut up way more often, etc., and just get stuff done.

[LittleLebowski]

I agree with most everything stated above. (And I am one who abhors corruption and has done his part in uncovering and prosecuting it, up to and including government employees, law enforcement and agencies.)

That said, the evil conducted by these individuals and institutions is not in itself an exoneration of Trump. Trump must stand on his own record, which he tries at every turn to obfuscate.

I'd be much more comfortable with giving him a pass if he were more transparent. If he released the same information that I was obligated to provide, both as a condition of my federal employment, as well as in furtherance of my security clearances.

The president is a citizen and public servant and should be held to the same standards as those of us who also served.

I agree with that, but he does need to be exonerated of their false charges.

[eb07]

We have definitely reached banana republic status poltically, and with the coming housing crisis, loss of businesses and jobs, and socialistic handouts.... economically we will be there as well.

[farscott]

I see the word "treason" being batted around. Not so much here, but in the media when discussing General Flynn. So I referred to Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution which states

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

It appears that General Flynn is not guilty since there are not two witnesses to any "same overt act"; however, the charge could be levied against the DOJ personnel who investigated him and obstructed justice as the oath of office specifically states, "... all enemies, foreign and domestic" and the goal was to obstruct the lawful actions/policy/agenda of the sitting POTUS. I am no fan of President Trump, and I have been critical of General Flynn in the past based on what was reported. On the latter, it appears I was wrong. Learning that DOJ personnel have suppressed exculpatory material does not sit well with me.

That being said, I have no idea how to fix an institution that is supposed to enforce the laws fairly but instead abuses that power. Well I do, but firing everyone is neither practical nor fair to those who do the job to the utmost of their abilities and morals.