Last edited by UNK; 01-13-2017 at 02:24 PM.
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Rifle pressure is higher than shotgun pressure, thus more self-cleaning of the gas system occurs. In my experience, riffle ammo tends to be cleaner than shotgun ammo as well. Thus, gas ports in a shotgun are much more susceptible to fouling than those in an AR. That is why saying, "an AR is gas-operated and reliable, therefore a gas-operated shotgun should be equally reliable" is not correct. Most anything will be reliable with proper maintenance. What we tend to focus on with weapons reliability is how well they function without proper cleaning and maintenance. Fundamentally, an inertia-driven shotgun is more tolerannt of lacking cleaning and maintenance than a gas-driven shotgun. That's pretty close that to what I initially posted in this thread as an answer to a question about reliability when dirty.
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Semper Paratus certified AR15 armorer
That's pretty well put. I never understood the lack of love for the 1100. The prices used are pretty cheap. I have an 1100 and an 870 set up as HD guns but they are both cleaned and lubed. I need to contact Remington and see if there is an optimal spring for full power loads.
So what is the definition of "soft shouldered" ? It seems to me if a RDS is recommended for shooting from compromised positions with an AR then the requirement for a shotgun to be able to be fired from compromised positions would be just as important.
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I have an old 1100 and a Browning 2000. Neither is set up as an HD gun. But, over the years of hunting, skeet, sporting clays and such... the 1100 has been more reliable by far.
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I will say the system on my M4's (Benelli) actually DOES "self-clean" (far less carbon/fouling build-up than any DI AR, OR piston AR). They just run and run and run and run. I know that the price-point is not what belongs in this thread, but I'm just saying that not all gas systems are the same on shotguns.
Last edited by Unobtanium; 01-13-2017 at 06:57 PM.
To give some idea of the kind of gunk the 391 XTrema I mentioned earlier was still working with:
My Berettas are never going to look like that, so im not worried.
3/15/2016
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Last edited by Unobtanium; 01-14-2017 at 10:14 AM.
Do it.
Do it now.
Do it before I buy one.
Dear god, man, save me from myself.
The M4 is a tank. To paraphrase Tom Givens, it's the only true military grade shotgun ever made. It's a damn good gun...but I snagged 2 1301's for less than the cost of one M4.
Last edited by TCinVA; 01-14-2017 at 08:50 PM.
3/15/2016