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    Quote Originally Posted by NerdAlert View Post
    I'd like to try to bring some realism to the discussion for a second. I hear the idea that an AR is the "ideal" or best firearm thrown at a person asking a question about an inexpensive shotgun I have to wonder if there isn't a better way to handle the discussion. Long guns have a role in HD, that role most likely does not include maneuverability, ammunition capacity, or how pleasant it is to shoot in the equation when comparing it to a carbine.

    For average Joe Gun Owner, clearing rooms in their home, alone, with an AR or shotgun is ridiculously stupid at best, downright dangerous at worst.

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    ARs are being recommended as ease of use and effectiveness. Not because they're easier to clear rooms with. I don't recommend solo room clearing to anyone, much less someone without training and experience.

    Their biggest issue is not going to be maneuverability, it's going to be the ability to hit their target when they have one and that's easier, in general, with an AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjohnson4405 View Post
    ARs are being recommended as ease of use and effectiveness. Not because they're easier to clear rooms with. I don't recommend solo room clearing to anyone, much less someone without training and experience.

    Their biggest issue is not going to be maneuverability, it's going to be the ability to hit their target when they have one and that's easier, in general, with an AR.
    Can't be stressed strongly enough (absent the compounding complexity of children or other dependents requiring assistance / protection).
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    It's not a simple answer. Whenever a person asks me about a gun for home defense I explain about defense in depth. Dogs, deadbolts, exterior lights , gun storage. etc. Then I start with budget because with some people that's all that matters. Then look at their physical abilities. More than twenty years ago I taught a girl friend how to shoot. She hated revolvers because she said they recoiled too much even with 158 gr SWC. She liked shooting my Glock 19 but couldn't run the slide. She loved my P7 and was impressively accurate. My elderly aunt recently wanted a gun for protection. She is small and frail.
    If they don't know much about guns I don't recommend a used gun because they can't tell the difference used and abused. My home defense shotgun is a $300 used 870 that already had scattergun sights. I added a side saddle and a surefire light and keep it in a V-line lock box. The V-line box was over $200 but is worth it.
    I've seen too many police officers struggle to run an 870 and or an AR. It does not matter how easy we think it is.
    If I had a friend that was using a J frame for home defense with a 700 dollar budget I would tell him to start with a Glock 19. By the time he gets a holster, a surefire x300 and a surefire handheld he's there. That's what I told my cousin who never had an interest in guns and he is 47 years old.
    If he still wants a shotgun I would take him shooting and let him try both 10 rounds of buck shot and a mag from an AR.
    Tactics are a whole another subject.
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    To answer the OP

    405.00 Thunder Ranch Mossberg 500. Shotguns comes with sling and light rail standard
    https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...SH+THUNDER+RCH

    10.00 per 5 rounds Federal Flite Control 00 Tactical Buck
    https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...+510+LEAD+FREE

    25.00 Tom Givens Shotgun DVD
    http://rangemaster.com/publications/training-dvds/

    11.00 5 Practice "Dummy Rounds" 12 gauge
    https://www.amazon.com/ST-Action-Pro...2%3A2661618011

    55.00 320 Lumen Surefire light
    https://www.amazon.com/SureFire-Tact...XR0WJ76C9X24F0

    20.00 Viking Tactics Light Mount
    https://www.amazon.com/Blade-Tech-Vi...cs+light+mount

    Buy some practice rounds and find a local class when avail and he is under 750.00 all in.

    YMMV Greatly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_Jones View Post
    It may not still be the case (and probably not terribly germane for a sub-$700 shotgun thread), but for the past couple of years both Beretta 1301s and Colt 6720s have been fairly readily available for right at $800 each (which is awesome).
    Good point. I haven't seen the $800 quality ARs around much, and I wasn't aware that the 1301 was that inexpensive (as far as Italian automatic shotguns go). The intent of my post wasn't to disparage ARs for defensive purposes, but rather to point out that if money is an object there are things that will keep you safer (maybe "just as safe") for the same money as ANY gun. Also ARs are markedly better in many ways than other long gun options, there are pros and cons to any choice. Make the choice that makes the most sense in your context, which for a person mentioning a budget and a shotgun is probably not an AR.

    There is much wisdom in a lot of the posts above about room clearing and considering other options, I just felt that leaving out the actual role of a long gun in HD was a disservice to the person asking the question. Sorry if I came off as rude.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vcdgrips View Post
    To answer the OP

    405.00 Thunder Ranch Mossberg 500. Shotguns comes with sling and light rail standard
    https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...SH+THUNDER+RCH

    10.00 per 5 rounds Federal Flite Control 00 Tactical Buck
    https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...+510+LEAD+FREE

    25.00 Tom Givens Shotgun DVD
    http://rangemaster.com/publications/training-dvds/

    11.00 5 Practice "Dummy Rounds" 12 gauge
    https://www.amazon.com/ST-Action-Pro...2%3A2661618011

    55.00 320 Lumen Surefire light
    https://www.amazon.com/SureFire-Tact...XR0WJ76C9X24F0

    20.00 Viking Tactics Light Mount
    https://www.amazon.com/Blade-Tech-Vi...cs+light+mount

    Buy some practice rounds and find a local class when avail and he is under 750.00 all in.

    YMMV Greatly
    Lead Free Federal Flite Control buck?

    Here's a better deal for the Flite Control Tactical rounds:

    http://www.luckygunner.com/12-ga-2-3...-wad-250-round

    $10.00per 5 round box is kind of expensive...

    Edit:

    I guess this is the lead free Federal buck:

    https://www.federalpremium.com/ammun...ad/phd159-00#2

    New offering maybe?
    Last edited by Tabasco; 01-12-2017 at 08:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabasco View Post
    Lead Free Federal Flite Control buck?

    Here's a better deal for the Flite Control Tactical rounds:

    http://www.luckygunner.com/12-ga-2-3...-wad-250-round

    $10.00per 5 round box is kind of expensive...

    Edit:

    I guess this is the lead free Federal buck:

    https://www.federalpremium.com/ammun...ad/phd159-00#2

    New offering maybe?
    Do they offer the lead free stuff without that FliteControl stuff? I hate it.

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    Glad to see someone else bring up used Hump Backs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lost River
    ...Additionally the Browning A5 was produced by Remington as the Model 11, and they can often be found for dirt cheap. I know that Savage produced some copies but I really don't recall the model # or how many were produced. ...
    Savage's offering is the Model 720. Mine cost $150.00 and with $20.00 in parts(new spring and rings) has been 100% through several K rounds. I shoot trap with it occasionally and it is my HD shotty standing in the corner of the bedroom loaded with 00 buck. Maint. is easy and they require no special tools for a complete break down. The consumable parts are mostly interchangeable between Browning, Remington and Savage models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    My grandpa had a crapped up 391. It still ran great. Hed had and shot it for years. Didnt even know how to take it apart. Honestly, a good shotgun like one of the Italians is going to be fine unless you literally let it rust until it's locked up. Hard to do with the chrome this and that though.
    Friend of mine who works for Beretta showed pictures of a severely neglected 391 with cammo finish he'd received at the shop due to a cracked stock. The gun had not been cleaned in heaven only knows how many thousands of shells. It was a disgusting mess. It had a cracked carrier.

    ...but it still shoots.

    As far as inexpensive shotguns go, it's hard to beat Remington 870 Police model guns for 269 bucks:

    http://www.southernohiogun.com/galle...ga-magnum.html
    Last edited by TCinVA; 01-13-2017 at 10:25 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    How do self loading shotguns deal with neglect? An owner who's not going to lubricate it routinely as it sits in a dusty environment (ie under the bed)?
    I have a lot of experience goose hunting in the windy, dusty fields of south central Oklahoma. While it's not defensive/tactical in any way, the shotguns being discussed are pretty much the same. It has been my observation that there are only two guns that really run well in these really dirty conditions: Benelli and Beretta.

    Benelli really takes the cake with the inertia system. They are the ones that have the highest chance of cycling shells no matter how dirty. You pay the price for it though... they're not as great at running lower power shells, and perceived recoil is higher.

    Beretta shotguns also do really well. Most casual users will really never get one dirty enough to cause cycling issues on a frequent basis. I have also seen just as many issues caused by OVER lubricating, and lubricating in the wrong spots. For instance, nothing will stop up a Beretta faster than putting a bunch of CLP all over the gas operating system.


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