2.0 range day

[GJM]

I doubt he'd comment publicly on what the Army found wanting in the M&P, but I'm curious to know how the 2.0 materially differs from the XM17 entry.

Has the improved slide stop?

[Oldstate]

I doubt he'd comment publicly on what the Army found wanting in the M&P, but I'm curious to know how the 2.0 materially differs from the XM17 entry.

This is a shame. For me there is something fundimentally wrong with the fact the US military uses any foreign made weapons.

[orionz06]

This is a shame. For me there is something fundimentally wrong with the fact the US military uses any foreign made weapons.

I agree but I'd also not wanna see the US military using an inferior weapon either. The real answer is US based companies not fucking up a good gun.

"If anyone can fuck up a good gun surely it's S&W"
-Famous instructor guy with mustache

[LockedBreech]

I agree but I'd also not wanna see the US military using an inferior weapon either. The real answer is US based companies not fucking up a good gun.

"If anyone can fuck up a good gun surely it's S&W"
-Famous instructor guy with mustache

This. FN and HK among others are putting out world-class small arms and Sweden is putting out some of the most advanced missile systems on the battlefield and has been for a long time. I want the U.S. military using the absolute best weapons regardless of where they come from. Same reason I didn't buy a domestic vehicle, because I can't rely on the powertrain to survive to 100K the way I can with a Japanese make. U.S. industry should earn business, not receive it out of hand in the form of baubles and bailouts.

[Oldstate]

I agree but I'd also not wanna see the US military using an inferior weapon either. The real answer is US based companies not fucking up a good gun.

"If anyone can fuck up a good gun surely it's S&W"
-Famous instructor guy with mustache

I understand the reasons....I just thinks it reflects poorly. I also hated that CHIPs didn't drive Harleys

[98z28]

Another 2.0 data point. Good news, bad news.

The bad first. Before shooting the gun I went to pull the slide off and put some lube on the gun. The sear deactivation lever fell out of the gun. I'm not the first to have this problem, as referenced earlier on this thread:http://bearsarms.weebly.com/

Here's mine:





Now the good news. It shot great. I ran Speer Lawman 115, 124, and 147 grain through it and they all grouped decently well. Here are a couple 5-shot groups fired from 25 yards off a rest:



Also tried some some 124gr +P Gold Dot and 147gr HST. Both grouped respectably well:



Sample of one and all that. I want the M&P to be fixed so bad, but the sear deactivation lever makes me think Smith is still determined to screw up this gun with sloppy manufacturing and QC practices.

[LockedBreech]

Ah, S&W, like a college friend on their 8th marriage.

[Oldstate]

Question for those with a 2.0:

Does the new finish have a dull parkerized look? Almost like an AR barrel?

The reason I ask is that my recent production 1.0 has a finish like this. It is noticeably different than my older pistols

[98z28]

Ah, S&W, like a college friend on their 8th marriage.

And I go to every damn wedding with gifts and hope it turns out different this time. Might need to seek treatment for codependency...

[incogneato]

Question for those with a 2.0:

Does the new finish have a dull parkerized look? Almost like an AR barrel?

The reason I ask is that my recent production 1.0 has a finish like this. It is noticeably different than my older pistols

I haven't seen the black in-person, but the FDE I picked up today has a smooth finish.