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    The guy who would know the history of these guns is William Bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post

    My understanding is there were two recalls on the CS-1's resulting in the M stamp and then the 2 stamp, AFAIK all recall work was done at S&W and all guns were sold via S&W.


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    I had one each in 3" and 4"; foolishly sold a long time ago.

    The first modification was the replacement of the of the firing pin bushing, and resulted in both of my CS-1s being stamped "M". From what I recall, the busing was replaced due to primer material occasionally flowing into the bushing/around the firing pin. The work was done at S&W; both guns shipped through my LGS who was a factory-certified S&W armorer.

    I sold both guns either before the second recall/mod happened or I was not made aware of it.

    The guns were very sensitive to powder under the extractor star. They did have excellent sights; some of the best that I recall having on a Smith revolver.


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    I didn't realize you already got it, congrats.

    An early mentor of mine was issued one, and it had the problems you described. He and many of his co workers ditched the gun and went back to a 2.5" Ruger, which is a gun I have always coveted.
    Working for Roger's west coast LE distributor, we had a bit of an inside. Yeah, the folks who got the CS-1's were not happy, and the GP100 or 3" Service or speed sixes would have been a better route at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    Seizure gun ?
    It may well have been. It had been issued to another agent before me and when he turned it in I asked for it to be issued to me. It was not without its warts, even after having been worked on earlier by a gunsmith (of unknown competence). That said, I'd have loved to have had the opportunity to own and address its faults on my own dime. C'est la vie and water long under the bridge now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    As a result of PD transitions from revolvers to autos and from 9mm autos to 40 autos there were large numbers of surplus LE guns on the market cheap in the 1990's. The 1994 assault weapons ban incentivized trading 9mm guns with pre ban mags for .40 guns with restricted mags. Some of these LE surplus guns then started showing up at crime scenes.

    As a result, the Clinton administration issued an executive order mandating transfer to other government Agencies or destruction as the only means of disposing of surplus Fed LE firearms. It was subsequently codified into the Code of Federal regulations at CFR Title 41 §101-42.1102-10(5) (c).

    There is currently a petition to modify this and allow retired fed LE to purchase their duty weapons.

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/l...-their-weapons

    My understanding is there were two recalls on the CS-1's resulting in the M stamp and then the 2 stamp, AFAIK all recall work was done at S&W and all guns were sold via S&W.

    Mine has the same stamp.

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    Yep, the "M" stamp is for the hammer nose bushing modification/recall that affected 686's, 681's, 586's, and 581's. S&W started incorporating the changes sometime during the run of CS-1's, so some got the "M" stamp at the factory, and some did not. Because of this, they all had to be sent to Glynco to be inspected (S&W sent personnel to Glynco to do this). The guns that did not have the hammer nose bushing modification got fixed and got the "M" stamp. Those that already had the "M" stamp got inspected and got the "2" stamp in front of the M.

    There were 3,200 CS-1 overrun guns sold to the public. They shipped with the magna grips. Approximately 2,500 of the Customs guns were sold to the public through the Sales Exchange program before it was shut down. Those guns went back to the factory before they were sold to distributors.

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    Congrats - a GREAT revolver once the very early kinks were fixed. I owned & carried in anger both the 4" & 3" back when they were current items & they served me well. The 4" in particular saw 1000s of full house 125 JHPs shooting IPSC in duty gear - used to really unhinge my fellow competitors on adjacent stages if I was shooting simultaneously! I'd love to have a set of them again someday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagga Boy View Post
    Working for Roger's west coast LE distributor, we had a bit of an inside. Yeah, the folks who got the CS-1's were not happy, and the GP100 or 3" Service or speed sixes would have been a better route at the time.
    Ouch! These guns are heavily sought after.

    So what were the issues--too tight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagga Boy View Post
    Working for Roger's west coast LE distributor, we had a bit of an inside. Yeah, the folks who got the CS-1's were not happy, and the GP100 or 3" Service or speed sixes would have been a better route at the time.
    Ruger did have a limited production run of 3" Speed Sixes; that would be one of my grail revolvers. A 3" GP100 with adjustable sights (front plug-in, rear adjustable) is another grail; Ruger last year produced a limited run of them, too. Not that the OEM Ruger adjustable is a bad thing, but replacing it with one of Hamilton Bowen's Rough Country sight sets would make for a pretty rugged carry/concealment revolver...

    Best, Jon

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    My LGS has a three inch stainless speed six. Let me know

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    A lot of those old CS 1s at FLETC are indeed still around as blank firing guns for role players. I have yet to see one as a SIM gun.

    Sadly, many were cut in half and are were used as "trigger finger strength enhancers". When folks were having trouble with the 96D or DAK, the FIs would issue them a complete revolver grip and trigger lock work that had the barrel and cylinder cut off. They were also converted to DAO. So, a student on a break, or at their dorm room, could dry fire in DAO to their hears content.

    (Oh, HCM, I signed the petition. We need to get that damn thing some circulation!)
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