Sig P320 "failed FBI test miserably"

[Jim Watson]

If the P320 Browning-ish tilt-lock action will drop the striker with the slide "out of battery" but the barrel still in locked position as shown in Tokarev's primer pop, and demonstrated by a centered primer indent, will it blow the case head as shown by chiguy31 in #53? Which also shows a centered primer indent, indicating a barrel in locked position.
How?
The barrel is still locked and the case as well "supported" as ever, even though the slide is a fraction back.

It is not just the P320. I think I have seen blown case heads in every make and model of pistol blamed on "out of battery." Yet the primers, where retained, are hit right in the middle, indicating a barrel in the up and locked position.

I have not seen a real analysis, just "out of battery" said as a mantra that explains all.
Anybody got a blow by blow description of what they think is going on?

I think somebody is going to have to sacrifice one of these guns with live ammo "out of battery" to give it a real test.
Why not? It is not worth anything except as a guinea pig, unreliable and unsafe.

[5pins]

If the P320 Browning-ish tilt-lock action will drop the striker with the slide "out of battery" but the barrel still in locked position as shown in Tokarev's primer pop, and demonstrated by a centered primer indent, will it blow the case head as shown by chiguy31 in #53? Which also shows a centered primer indent, indicating a barrel in locked position.
How?
The barrel is still locked and the case as well "supported" as ever, even though the slide is a fraction back.

It is not just the P320. I think I have seen blown case heads in every make and model of pistol blamed on "out of battery." Yet the primers, where retained, are hit right in the middle, indicating a barrel in the up and locked position.

I have not seen a real analysis, just "out of battery" said as a mantra that explains all.
Anybody got a blow by blow description of what they think is going on?

I think somebody is going to have to sacrifice one of these guns with live ammo "out of battery" to give it a real test.

Why not? It is not worth anything except as a guinea pig, unreliable and unsafe.

Yes, he was shooting Buffalo Bore.

[GlockenSpiel]

If the P320 Browning-ish tilt-lock action will drop the striker with the slide "out of battery" but the barrel still in locked position as shown in Tokarev's primer pop, and demonstrated by a centered primer indent, will it blow the case head as shown by chiguy31 in #53? Which also shows a centered primer indent, indicating a barrel in locked position.
How?
The barrel is still locked and the case as well "supported" as ever, even though the slide is a fraction back.

It is not just the P320. I think I have seen blown case heads in every make and model of pistol blamed on "out of battery." Yet the primers, where retained, are hit right in the middle, indicating a barrel in the up and locked position.

I have not seen a real analysis, just "out of battery" said as a mantra that explains all.
Anybody got a blow by blow description of what they think is going on?

I think somebody is going to have to sacrifice one of these guns with live ammo "out of battery" to give it a real test.
Why not? It is not worth anything except as a guinea pig, unreliable and unsafe.

The point of a short recoil action is that the slide and barrel recoil locked together for a short distance. This gives time for chamber pressures to drop. If the pistol is fired with the locked slide/barrel retracted already and the two are about to unlock, there's not enough time for pressure to drop to a safe level. Hence, case failure.

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[Tokarev]

I didn't make a video of the M&P firing slightly out of battery but it, too, will pop a primer with the slide about 1/10in from being fully forward.

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[Jim Watson]

If the pistol is fired with the locked slide/barrel retracted already and the two are about to unlock, there's not enough time for pressure to drop to a safe level. Hence, case failure.

That is about what I expected to get.
I would like to see it demonstrated under controlled conditions. I mean, everybody agrees the guns aren't worth anything.

[Tokarev]

Yes, he was shooting Buffalo Bore.

That shouldn't be something that's ruled out. Buffalo Bore runs the ragged edge with a bunch of their stuff.

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[Navyguns]

Does anyone have the official FBI report concerning the new pistol testing results? How all entrants performed?

[Tokarev]

Does anyone have the official FBI report concerning the new pistol testing results? How all entrants performed?

I imagine that's all covered by NDA's. We may never know who submitted guns and which ones failed.

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[PensFan]

Does anyone have the official FBI report concerning the new pistol testing results? How all entrants performed?

I don't believe anything will ever be officially reported. It really doesn't matter anymore anyway. Water under the bridge..

[Navyguns]

I don't believe anything will ever be officially reported. It really doesn't matter anymore anyway. Water under the bridge..

I would like to see how the FBI tests the weapons and the methodology. In many ways the FBI testing weapons is more informative to a armed civilian than the military pistol testing.