Lol I love the chart
Lol I love the chart
Technical excellence supports tactical preparedness
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One of the few trainers out there (still) with distinct standards is Chuck Taylor. Chuck teaches classes at 4 levels Basic, Intermediate, Advanced & Master. Each of these classes cumulates with a test that must be passed in order to receive a certificate. Those who achieve a score of 90% or higher receive a Distinguished Graduate certificate except for at the Master level where a 90% or higher is required to pass.
The following chart does not describe the individual tests at each level but the standards can be seen in each category.
To pass the Master level test you must start by scoring a minimum of 360 points out of a possible 400 on the shooting drills listed below. The test must be conducted by Chuck Taylor or an authorized ASAA instructor, firearms and holster must be concealable "street" equipment (no optical sights, compensators, speed rigs, etc.) and all ammunition must be full power with the .38 special the lowest power cartridge allowed. Shots are scored 5 points each for center hits, peripheral hits are 2 points for major calibers, 1 point for minor. The target to be used is the original buff/green Taylor Combat Target, with it's 5 point head zone of 4" x 3". All drills start with holstered gun, hands at sides. Times are by stop watch.
Once the shooting drills have been completed the candidate is tested on reloading and malfunction clearance drills as shown below. Failure to use ASAA methodology in performing the drills results in a procedural error and point loss.
Standard Exercises - Single target - 2 shots per drill, each drill performed once.
1 meter - 1.0 second (Speed Rock)
1 meter - 1.0 second (Step Back)
3 meters - 1.0 second
7 meters - 1.3 seconds
10 meters - 1.8 seconds
15 meters - 2.2 seconds
25 meters - 2.7 seconds
50 meters - 6.0 seconds
Presentation Evaluation - Single target @ 7 Meters - 1 shot per drill, drill performed five times.
7 meters - 1.0 second
Responses Left, Right & Rear - Single target - 1 shot per drill, each drill performed five times using ASAA methods
Response Left - 1.0 second
Response Right - 1.0 second
Response Rear - 1.2 seconds
Multiple Targets - Targets at 5 meters and spaced 1 meter apart
Two targets - 1.2 second
Three targets - 1.5 seconds
Four targets - 1.8 seconds
Small Targets at Close Range - head shots - 1 shot per drill
5 meters - 1.0 seconds - perform four times
7 meters - 1.2 seconds - perform five times
Ambidextrous Shooting - 3 targets at 7 meters and spaced 1 meter apart.
Using both hands, a candidate fires one round on each target, speed loads, transfers the weapon to the weak hand and re-engages weak hand only firing one round per target. Time limit is 6 seconds for self loaders, 8 seconds for revolvers.
Hostage Situation - Partial head shots - Target at 7 meters, one shot per drill performed 5 times with hostage holder to the left side of the hostage's head and 5 times on the right side. Time limit 1.2 seconds.
Target at Odd Angles - Targets at 7 meters and 60% obscured by cover, one shot per drill, perform 5 times with target to the left side of cover and 5 times to the right side of cover. Time limit 1.2 seconds.
After completing the above shooting test you still must perform each of the following weapon handling and malfunction (self loaders only) drills 5 times each. For each drill improperly performed or performed over the time limit, 5 points are deducted from your shooting score. 360 remains the minimum scored required to pass.
Speed Reloads - self loaders 1.5 seconds
Speed Reloads - revolvers 4.0 seconds
Tactical Reload - all weapons 4.0 seconds
Type 1 malfunction - 1.0 second
Type 2 malfunction - 1.0 second
Type 3 malfunction - 4.0 seconds
Very nice. Great drills from Gabe.Originally Posted by GJM
Ever since I heard the concept, I have been taken with the Hardwired concept of two second standards, meaning you have two seconds to solve the problem. Ideally, that two seconds will start with you alert and your blaster in your hand. If not, well that is life.
Two of Gabe's tests that I find interesting, nicely dovetail with the concepts I have heard Wayne and Darry discuss. Those Gabe drills are a draw and two shots to the upper CNS in 2.0 (or 2.25 from concealment) and the failure drill, two to the eight inch circle, one to the upper CNS in 1.70 (1.95 from concealment). The key to these is a fast, reliable draw, and I would suggest that all that is holding most people back from a very fast draw is a bit instruction or reading, and a bunch of dry practice. If your standards don't measure the draw and provide incentive to have a fast draw, I suggest you are not doing what you should from a teaching perspective.
This afternoon, thinking of this thread, I decided to shoot 4 Aces twice and see what I got. That drill involves a draw and two shots, reload and two more shots at 7 yards, with the accuracy standard being A hits. I shot these with a G4 17 from an OWB Blade-Tech holster.
Shot 1 is the draw, 2 the split, 3 the reload, and 4 the split.
A bit over 2 seconds flat, but it shows you can get a lot done in +/- 2 seconds.
And....I bet there are a few things that kept popping up as a success indicator.
Just a Hairy Special Snowflake supply clerk with no field experience, shooting an Asymetric carbine as a Try Hard. Snarky and easily butt hurt. Favorite animal is the Cape Buffalo....likely indicative of a personality disorder.
"If I had a grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton".
One of the few trainers out there (still) with distinct standards is Chuck Taylor. Chuck teaches classes at 4 levels Basic, Intermediate, Advanced & Master. Each of these classes cumulates with a test that must be passed in order to receive a certificate. Those who achieve a score of 90% or higher receive a Distinguished Graduate certificate except for at the Master level where a 90% or higher is required to pass.
The following chart does not describe the individual tests at each level but the standards can be seen in each category.
To pass the Master level test you must start by scoring a minimum of 360 points out of a possible 400 on the shooting drills listed below. The test must be conducted by Chuck Taylor or an authorized ASAA instructor, firearms and holster must be concealable "street" equipment (no optical sights, compensators, speed rigs, etc.) and all ammunition must be full power with the .38 special the lowest power cartridge allowed. Shots are scored 5 points each for center hits, peripheral hits are 2 points for major calibers, 1 point for minor. The target to be used is the original buff/green Taylor Combat Target, with it's 5 point head zone of 4" x 3". All drills start with holstered gun, hands at sides. Times are by stop watch.
Once the shooting drills have been completed the candidate is tested on reloading and malfunction clearance drills as shown below. Failure to use ASAA methodology in performing the drills results in a procedural error and point loss.
Standard Exercises - Single target - 2 shots per drill, each drill performed once.
1 meter - 1.0 second (Speed Rock)
1 meter - 1.0 second (Step Back)
3 meters - 1.0 second
7 meters - 1.3 seconds
10 meters - 1.8 seconds
15 meters - 2.2 seconds
25 meters - 2.7 seconds
50 meters - 6.0 seconds
Presentation Evaluation - Single target @ 7 Meters - 1 shot per drill, drill performed five times.
7 meters - 1.0 second
Responses Left, Right & Rear - Single target - 1 shot per drill, each drill performed five times using ASAA methods
Response Left - 1.0 second
Response Right - 1.0 second
Response Rear - 1.2 seconds
Multiple Targets - Targets at 5 meters and spaced 1 meter apart
Two targets - 1.2 second
Three targets - 1.5 seconds
Four targets - 1.8 seconds
Small Targets at Close Range - head shots - 1 shot per drill
5 meters - 1.0 seconds - perform four times
7 meters - 1.2 seconds - perform five times
Ambidextrous Shooting - 3 targets at 7 meters and spaced 1 meter apart.
Using both hands, a candidate fires one round on each target, speed loads, transfers the weapon to the weak hand and re-engages weak hand only firing one round per target. Time limit is 6 seconds for self loaders, 8 seconds for revolvers.
Hostage Situation - Partial head shots - Target at 7 meters, one shot per drill performed 5 times with hostage holder to the left side of the hostage's head and 5 times on the right side. Time limit 1.2 seconds.
Target at Odd Angles - Targets at 7 meters and 60% obscured by cover, one shot per drill, perform 5 times with target to the left side of cover and 5 times to the right side of cover. Time limit 1.2 seconds.
After completing the above shooting test you still must perform each of the following weapon handling and malfunction (self loaders only) drills 5 times each. For each drill improperly performed or performed over the time limit, 5 points are deducted from your shooting score. 360 remains the minimum scored required to pass.
Speed Reloads - self loaders 1.5 seconds
Speed Reloads - revolvers 4.0 seconds
Tactical Reload - all weapons 4.0 seconds
Type 1 malfunction - 1.0 second
Type 2 malfunction - 1.0 second
Type 3 malfunction - 4.0 seconds
Those are some tight Masters standards! I'll have to give that a try....
What the OP asked I gave what I thought would be relevant. 1 second from concealment to overcome being surprised or as reaction vs. their reaction situation depending.
1.5 sec 25 yards A zone takes a lot of skill and it's a tight shot. If you can consistently make that tight shot you are on your way to making any tight shot.
And GM HF on El Pres means you have to be able to draw fast, shoot fast, transition fast, track fast, reload fast......and you have to have the hits.
If the OP were asking me I'd say look above and buy the Ben Stoeger Dry Fire book and get to work. How to get their is in the book. The technique, the training.
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Not sure if this will come out clearly but....
One of the features I like about striving for 100% hits, is it inculcates a certain deliberateness into the shooter. Maybe this just works for me, but when I know I have to keep everything in the designated hit zone with zero slop, I mentally shift gears and shoot more intentionally. To use a Farnam term, I work harder when I "guarantee the hit." I suspect that this "gear" is the most appropriate for real world encounters. I think it shifts the bias towards accuracy in a way that is relevant. My Casino Drill runs are just different when I'm looking at one second per miss versus failure if any round misses. I am slower, yes, but not street significantly so.
- It's not the odds, it's the stakes.
- If you aren't dry practicing every week, you're not serious.....
- "Tache-Psyche Effect - a polite way of saying 'You suck.' " - GG
I have found one of the MOST important things I can teach my students to win fights is deliberateness and emotional control. As your work has shown, going emotional in a fight is bad in most cases. The biggest failure I often saw in shootings was when the shooter went emotional on a trigger. Hardwiring control into the sub conscious is really our big goal with our students. Keep in mind, total focus on maximum control is often counter to risk for performance gains. It is a very gentle balance on training. We really try to make sure the control level is thoroughly imbedded before we start to push for speed performance gains, and we never relax the accuracy standard as we cannot make human hearts and brains larger.
Just a Hairy Special Snowflake supply clerk with no field experience, shooting an Asymetric carbine as a Try Hard
"If I had a grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton".
I am fucked.
are there triggers that tend to be better or worst for these types of situations? It has been years since I had to fire a weapon in a real situation but when I did I don't remember weight really being an issue, just take up and working through the break. This was on an M4 though, so obviously not exactly the same. By being emotional on the trigger do you mean just shooting too fast to get accurate hits?
Last edited by breakingtime91; 12-06-2016 at 09:53 PM.
To translate those times from a stopwatch to a shot timer, subtract about 0.20.
You may be surprised... I didn't come up with this but go for all 12 shots on target as your accuracy standard doing it as fast (while safe) as you can. OK...that's how fast you can go. Apply the hits inside your speed*.
*You may lose some time and that is the point.
Last edited by nwhpfan; 12-06-2016 at 10:05 PM.
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