KSTG

[jlw]

Scoring question:

Are awards being made for the respective power floors? For example, will there be a winner in Major Master and Minor Master?

[jlw]

We have "duty gear in lieu of concealment" for active leo's.
Duty gear is defined as level 2 or greater retention holster and flap magazine carriers.
All retention must be engaged and set to manufacturer specs (no modified retention devices).

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That eliminates many of my guys and myself as we don't use flap mag carriers

I have guys using these:



these:



and I use Blackhawks that mount to a picitiny system on my belt so that I can easily switch from single to double stack mags.

[JodyH]

That eliminates many of my guys and myself as we don't use flap mag covers.

Can't please everyone and still have a somewhat equal playing field.

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[jlw]

Can't please everyone and still have a somewhat equal playing field.

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I edited my post to include pictures of the mag pouches.

I understand that if you don't establish some limits that you will have folks trying to pass of competition stuff as duty gear, but arbitrarily stating flap mag carriers completely eliminates a lot of legitimate duty gear. The two pictures I included are marketed by Safariland as duty gear, and I have been encouraging my guys to go to them and get away from flap carriers.

[TheRoland]

To clarify, JodyH is speaking of another local club's homebrew rule-set, not the draft Kinda-Sorta Tactical Game. Correct?

The KSTG rules seem to specify "complete concealment" in some depth, which would exclude duty gear, probably by intent. Even ye olde fishing vest sounds marginal or not allowed.

[jlw]

To clarify, JodyH is speaking of another local club's homebrew rule-set, not the draft Kinda-Sorta Tactical Game. Correct?

The KSTG rules seem to specify "complete concealment" in some depth, which would exclude duty gear, probably by intent. Even ye olde fishing vest sounds marginal or not allowed.

Thanks for the clarification. I can edit/delete my responses then as I don't want to muddy the waters like that. I took the "we" in his response to be as speaking for KSTG.

[DonovanM]

Instead of separate scoring rings and/or distinctions, how about people shooting Minor get 10% added to their final score? That's about what it calculates to in USPSA match points, according to Matt Burkett who tried shooting Minor at a Limited championship and ended up like 4th or 5th.

[JodyH]

Thanks for the clarification. I can edit/delete my responses then as I don't want to muddy the waters like that. I took the "we" in his response to be as speaking for KSTG.

I'm sorry for the confusion, I'll edit my post to show that I'm speaking of our local IDSA based rules.

[JodyH]

I understand that if you don't establish some limits that you will have folks trying to pass of competition stuff as duty gear, but arbitrarily stating flap mag carriers completely eliminates a lot of legitimate duty gear. The two pictures I included are marketed by Safariland as duty gear, and I have been encouraging my guys to go to them and get away from flap carriers.

Prior to this rule going into effect in our "CCW Match" I watched one shooters gear slowly evolve/morph from typical duty gear to basically a kydex OWB (disguised as a Safariland 6304 with the SLS hood removed and the ALS modified for no retention) and race cut mag carriers.
I think our club is already being generous in that we don't require them to wear their entire "Bat belt", just the holster and mag carriers.
Give 'em an inch and they take a mile...
Besides, LEO's should be carrying off-duty anyway so they can always shoot their CCW gear in the match if their duty gear isn't compatible with the rules.

[JConn]

I think the whole idea of this competition is to stop "competition gear." Walk in, shoot the match, reload holster, walk out. In a perfect world we could hold people to that and make them shoot their everyday carry. People carrying lc9s and pf9s would quickly see the limitations of their equipment, or not who knows.