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    Quote Originally Posted by scw2 View Post
    What would be interesting would be if there was data on how much each component added to performance. E.g. How do the times change with comp only, RDS only, neither, and both. Same with the speed on reloads with the magwell and such. In any case, still very solid shooting to earn the coin.
    One could also add variables of light (ie indoor vs outdoor, day light vs low light, etc).
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    FAST coin # 15 and the advancement of pistol shooting

    I'm about as likely to shoot even a sub-10s FAST as the Swiss are to getting a Navy, so excuse the question, but:

    Is there a record of what pistol the various FAST coin shooters actually used?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianJedi View Post

    With that behind us, if anyone wants to discuss the merits, differences, advantages of the Roland config with the comp only vs comp + RMR, vs an RMR only gun, I am happy to lend any insight I have.
    If you have the data I'd love to see how things stack up. Also curious when it was collected and how you might perform now, assuming some significant time and/or round count has passed.


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    Regarding the comp....

    Here is a short video doing the FAST at the last KSTG match held at the NRA. This was my best run of the classifier at 4.91. My other two times were in the mid 5s. This is my Carry Optics gun so no comp obviously. It is an ATEI milled G17 with an RM06.

    My times with the Roland at the class were 4.57, 5.3, 4.70. I will add that the KSTG match was before I got some instruction from Ernest Langdon on draw presentation and Tim Herron on incorporating speed mode into my practice. Could this account for the .2 to .3x improvement in time? Could it be the comp? Could it be a combo of both. I am going to go with the latter.

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    The open shooters in USPSA/IPSC have been shooting comps and optics for 25 years. If there wasn't an advantage, they wouldn't be doing it.

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    The open shooters in USPSA/IPSC have been shooting comps and optics for 25 years. If there wasn't an advantage, they wouldn't be doing it.
    Those are also with hotter 40/45 loads right?

    The question is how much a comp helps with a normalish 9mm load.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianJedi View Post
    Those are also with hotter 40/45 loads right?

    The question is how much a comp helps with a normalish 9mm load.
    An interesting question indeed. I wonder how a comp'd G22 would do against a G35. A comp'd G23 vs either of those?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Nesbitt View Post
    The open shooters in USPSA/IPSC have been shooting comps and optics for 25 years. If there wasn't an advantage, they wouldn't be doing it.
    With specific loads that are narrowly within the limits, metal framed pistols, and frame mounted optics.

    So while the G19-Comp-rmr-light is like an open gun it's still in many ways far from it. It's an attempt to capture as many of the positives as possible.

    Measurbating each "open gun feature" is of great interest and depending on who has what it's possible to have someone so a full open gun comparison as well to really put it all into perspective.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_Jenkins View Post
    Is there a record of what pistol the various FAST coin shooters actually used?
    Search "fast coin siteistol-training.com". Todd usually recorded what pistol and what holster they were using. If there's a compiled list somewhere, that's news to me.

    ETA: Can't figure out how to escape that emoji. That's "site : pistol-training.com", with no spaces in between the characters.
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