I hear you. I am not keen on IDPA becoming more like USPSA. There is room for both, and frankly most of the old farts like myself aren't going to put on track shoes to play a shooting game. We like to amble, wear our shoot me first vests, and not spill our coffee while going tac sequencing those nefarious paper bad guys.
Never shot a night shoot with USPSA, but we frequently do with IDPA. Frankly, I don't get the hate the USPSA players have for IDPA. If you don't like it, fine, who cares? If I'm boat fishing I don't complain and make fun of fly fishers.
As for PCC, not a real biggie. In Austin we run pistol range carbine/pistol matches using IDPA rules here, and they work just fine.
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I don't know anything about USPSA. But I do know that IPSC pistol rules are about pistols. If you want to look at rifle rules, you need to look at the rifle rulebook. Seems a lot more logical than trying to cram one niche long gun into the pistol rules.
You've already touched on some of the problems. Scenarios, starting positions, one handed shooting... Thinking back on stages I really liked, it seems to me like a lot of them would not be at all possible with a carbine. Do we stop making interesting pistol stages so that they are all carbine compatible?
Equipment is also an issue. I don't know anyone with a pistol caliber carbine with over 10" barrel. I know several guys with carbine conversions for their pistols, but that barrel length rule kills those. Everyone with an IDPA ID that I know of has an AK or an AR. If you want to shoot IDPA with long guns - and I am definitely for that, I loooooove IDPA DMG! - why not renew the DMG rule book? That would be a lot more logical, and in my area at least a lot more popular way to go.
In summary, IDPA with long guns is an excellent idea, but "let's cram one type of long gun into the pistol rules" is a lousy execution of that idea.
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That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state;
Yeah, so they've said to me too. At this point, I'll believe it when I see the new DMG rule book...
Really? I can think of a bunch of stages that I've shot in matches that would be difficult to downright impossible with a carbine. There are of course the classic carry the baby, evacuate your wounded buddy, carry a briefcase stages... One I particularly liked had a spring-loaded target stand with two targets, with a cable connected to a briefcase. You had to pull the briefcase to you against spring tension to lift the targets visible, draw and shoot one-handed. Really neat and quick little stage!
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This last weekend, we had a stage where you had to carry an attache case and had to negotiate the stage with it. The 'case' was heavy and most folks shot it one handed. It would have not been possible with a carbine.