Why the 2016 Election Is Irrelevant.

[Suvorov]

We certainly live in interesting times. I'm voting for Trump, even though I know he is not a conservative. Even though I know he spent Christmas (2009 IIRC) with George Soros. It's not that I'm a fan of his, it's that I KNOW what Hillary will bring. If we have Hillary, the Globalists will have won and our national sovereignty will continue in decline.

Look back a few years to 1974 and read Foreign Affairs, Volume 52 • Number 3 (© 1974 Council on Foreign Relations, Inc. All rights reserved.) written by Richard N. Gardner where he writes:

"but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."

Then peruse the list of members of the Council on Foreign Relations: Madeline Albright, Henry Kissinger, William J. and Chelsea Clinton, Henry A. Paulson Jr., Timothy F. Geithner, Alan Greenspan, Ezekiel Emanuel, Michael R. Bloomberg, Ruth Bader Ginsburg -to name just a few of it's luminary members.

This mindset and agenda is what Clinton brings to the table. The mere possibility of avoiding her gaining the Presidency has me steadfastly in favor of Trump.

Good Luck America!

Isn't it funny how the evil doers are bold faced and open when they say EXACTLY what they intend to do, but if you believe them then you are some sort of conspiracy nut.......

Must be a sort of game for them.

[El Cid]

Not as terryfiying as a liberal base that's motivated to nail the midterm elections in 2018.

Then it won't matter who's in the White House; the left takes the Legislature and then has unfettered power to pass whatever gun laws they see fit.

But a Republican President can veto it. The point is we have to focus on winning this one, then worry about the next one. There's no guarantee that her winning tomorrow will make it easier for us to win in 2 years.

[RevolverRob]

An exceptional America where rule of law is honored along with true individual liberty and where high value is placed in personal independence, plus adherence to the original meaning of the Constitution, is now something that a lot of people living in the United States simply don't want.

That never existed in this country, ever. Full stop.

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Moving on - This train is full on out of control. Next stop, new country.

We'll see what happens.

[TheNewbie]

That never existed in this country, ever. Full stop.

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Moving on - This train is full on out of control. Next stop, new country.

We'll see what happens.

Maybe not perfectly but it existed to a higher degree in the past. Liberty is not a human value, it has to be learned. TV and College do not teach people to love liberty.

[Eric_L]

Chuck is right. Also, the president can direct executive branches, which are the majority of government, to do....things. One example is the recent attempt by the ATF to classify nitrocellulose, a component of smokeless powder, as an explosive which would have made smokeless powder manufacture more onerous. There was a thread on that here.

Naming 3-4 justices to the SCOTUS will affect the nation for the next 30 or so years, massively to the negative if Hillary wins.


Imagine a court packed with Justice Sotomayors, that turns the entire Constitution upside down.

[OlongJohnson]

Moving on - This train is full on out of control. Next stop, new country.

The problem with that strategy is that, as screwed up as this country is, it's still the best option. I've looked around. All the others are way ahead of us on the road to wherever this one looks like it's headed. If we lose this one, we're f'ed.

Forget anything in Europe, Asia, Africa. Australia is a unique blend of totalitarian, British-style nanny state and extractive colony in China's mercantile system. I think the two best options are likely Argentina and New Zealand. They at least have the advantages of lots of space without so many people. But read the links below. Nice to visit, maybe, but I have friends from both places whose families aren't going back any time soon. And they don't particularly care about firearms, that I know of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand

http://expat-argentina.blogspot.com/...argentina.html

[joshs]

Not as terryfiying as a liberal base that's motivated to nail the midterm elections in 2018.

Then it won't matter who's in the White House; the left takes the Legislature and then has unfettered power to pass whatever gun laws they see fit.

Have you looked at the 2018 senate map?

[45dotACP]

There seems like a lot of damage a 8-1 stacked in the liberals favor court could do....judges, especially the liberal kind....are pretty crazy about the idea of judicial activism...and not in the "advocate for an America that is based in capitalism, hard work, equality, civil rights and motherfucking freedom." Way. More of an "Advocate for a Safe Space, making people feel special and safe and suctioning all of their money to prop up the obviously failed notion of a socialist government." Kind of way

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[Robinson]

That never existed in this country, ever. Full stop.

Thanks for schooling me yet again Rob -- what would I do without you to correct my anachronistic ways?

Yes, the things I mentioned are an idea -- but also the America I was raised to believe in. And the idea has been lived out, to varying degrees, within my lifetime by folks across the country. I've tried to model myself after those things -- the fact that many do not is beyond my control and doesn't change the idea.

[wrmettler]

I never argue religion or politics. It just isn’t worth the stress.

But, this and the other thread on voting for Hillary in Texas require a response.

Our government changes all the time. I view the elected politicians as pendulums. They swing back and forth between liberal and conservative, depending on what they think they need to do to get re-elected. Times change, and just because the legislature might be pro-gun now doesn’t mean it will be in 4 years. If you are a gun guy, you need to worry all the time. You need to be actively involved in electing gun people to congress.

Our government is out of control. The legislature creates huge bureaucracies, gives them authority, but provide only general outlines of how to implement its authority. This allows the bureaucracy to create its own power. Read the Code of Federal Regulations about the EPA, IRS, HUD, ATF, and you’ll be astounded at the amount of regulations (read control over our lives) that exist.

Now, within the ATF, the President can create new enforcement for all sorts. Off hand, I remember the ATF trying to do away with Kitchen FFLs and of course, ending all importation of certain weapons into the US.
So, an aggressive president can substantively change laws in any area he/she wants. It has been done in the realm of Guns several times. Consider, for instance, if the Court agrees with an ATF scheme that says you can own guns, but can't have them. That all guns must be stored in a warehouse controlled by a special police from the Homeland Security.

The most direct impact, however, is the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court can change precedent. It need not follow Haller if it doesn’t want to. That case isn’t written in stone. If case precedent was absolutely controlling, then there would still be segregation. It’s stupid to think federal case law is unchanging. If a liberal, anti-gun majority rules the Court, you can bet the law will change. Guaranteed.

So, any gun guy who votes for Hillary and thinks gun laws won’t change is a fool. She is an old guard liberal from the ‘60s, and wants to control all aspects of society. She will fundamentally change our society.

Trump on the other hand, is a spoiled rich kid from NYC. He’s fought government most of his career, and I bet has little or no use for extended bureaucracies. But, we have no guarantees right. He has published his list of SC nominees, who are generally good jurists, and not hacks like the women Obama appointed. I suppose it's not knowing how Trump will govern verses knowing Exactly how Hillary will govern.

See, I said I couldn't talk politics. I get hysterical. Just get me going on Goldman Sachs and immigration.