Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 14

Thread: Winchester 9mm Case Split vertically in middle

  1. #1

    Winchester 9mm Case Split vertically in middle

    Hi,

    I was wondering if anyone knows what might be causing this?

    These are first time shot 9mm Luger Winchester cases, shooting 140gn lead projectiles at around 860fps through a Sig Sauer P226.

    I don't seem to have any issues with case extraction, the ejector print on the cases seem to be in a different location for each case, and there's no visible signs of any damage in the chamber - so at this stage I think I can rule out damage in the chamber.

    The brass was gauged after reloading, prior to shooting.

    One of the guys at the range reckons it might be a bad batch of cases, but I was wondering if anyone else has seen this before. Most splits I've observed normally occur at the end of the case, not in the middle like this.

    Also - do you think this could be causing damage to the gun? Is it safe to shoot off the existing rounds that I have loaded. At this stage I'm seeing around 1 in 30 like this.

    Name:  IMG_9205-2.jpg
Views: 682
Size:  64.1 KB

    Name:  IMG_9205.jpg
Views: 521
Size:  61.3 KB

  2. #2
    Hillbilly Elitist Malamute's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Northern Rockies
    I think its a case failure. I had a similar thing happen with a round of 1920s 30-06 ammo. I stopped shooting it.

    I recall this coming up somewhere else online several years ago, I think the conclusion of smart people was a case failure, but I don't recall exactly. Hopefully someone else may have more info.
    Last edited by Malamute; 10-15-2016 at 09:09 PM.

  3. #3
    Site Supporter OlongJohnson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    "carbine-infested rural (and suburban) areas"
    Clean your barrel and inspect your chamber. The blast may cut potholes in the chamber wall.

  4. #4
    If you have the ability, I would measure case wall thickness on the opposite side of the crack, in the immediate vicinity of the crack, as well as towards the web, and mouth, and compare.

  5. #5
    Site Supporter Hambo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Behind the Photonic Curtain
    I've had that kind of split (not in 9mm) but only after loading them numerous times. The only thing I've had split exactly like that on a first firing was in the neck of brass that had been worked hard to form another caliber. I would either call Winchester and see if they will help you out or just throw out the brass. If 1 of 30 is going on the first loading, the problem will only get worse.
    Last edited by Hambo; 10-17-2016 at 06:24 AM.
    "Gunfighting is a thinking man's game. So we might want to bring thinking back into it."-MDFA

    Beware of my temper, and the dog that I've found...

  6. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Asuncion, Paraguay
    9 mm cases are very strong, and your load is supposed to be mild. There is something wrong, either with the batch of brass or the load.

    Apparently you don't have chamber erosion so far (I would not expect any with a few micro split cases), but 1 in 30 is too much, you have to change something.

  7. #7
    Very Pro Dentist Chuck Haggard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Down the road from Quantrill's big raid.
    I wouldn't shoot any more of that ammo.


    New cases? Once fired? Or?
    I am the owner of Agile/Training and Consulting
    www.agiletactical.com

  8. #8
    Site Supporter psalms144.1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Bloomington, IN
    I wouldn't use that lot of brass anymore, or shoot anymore of the loaded ammunition. I'd forward those photos to WCC and let them tell you what they think - but if that's new, unfired commercial brass, there's something seriously wrong there...

  9. #9
    Site Supporter JohnO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    CT (behind Enemy lines)
    Don't use it! More info please on the origins of the ammo. Sounds like it may be range reloads?

  10. #10
    Thanks all for your replies...

    To answer the questions - this is brand new unprimed brass, straight out of the packet. (Not range reloads)

    From the replies, it sounds as though it could damage my chamber, so I won't be shooting anymore from that batch. The problem being, is that I've purchased (and loaded) close to a thousand of these brass. Sounds like it's a costly problem that I'll have to discard all those.

    I'll see if I can get a response back from Winchester. Thanks for the replies.

User Tag List

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •