Thanks for the replies.
Back in the bad old days in my old stomping grounds cops used what is now known as a "Kingston" holster. They screwed a holster to the center of the base of the seat, or off on the side, so it was always accessible. A few guys I know would move their ankle gun to that holster.
I had an ER nurse in a class. I noticed she kept taking all head shots. Her response when asked why, "'I've seen too many people who have been shot in the chest putting up a fight in the ER." Point taken.
Spot on.
I have done a good bit of vehicle based stuff, for working oconus, and the basic concepts here are on the money. Plus, until guys have been rammed at high speed, or intentionally rammed vehicles to break contact on ambushes, they really have no clue how much stuff flies around inside of vehicles. This includes fire extinguishers, ammo cans, radios, etc, etc. There is good reason why the smarter outfits strap down literally every can, tire, etc, so as to prevent unnecessary injuries from these flying objects.
[QUOTE=TheNewbie;512323]I met McPhee at a gun store, seemed like a nice guy.
I think it's all risk factors and totality of the circumstances. We know what happened to the FBI guy and hose loose gun in Miami, but if that has been just a back up and not his primary things might have been different . So while it may be foolish to carry your one gun off body , I can see Dagga's point
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Yes, I've been in a rollover wreck. The vehicle did 1 1/4 turns and landed on the passenger side with me hanging in the seat belt. A handgun under my leg would have been MIA, but so would McPhee's unsecured carbine. Your point is taken, but there are times you want a gun in hand or as close as possible. The compromise is to carry one gun AIWB.
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For me, the gun under the leg is undesirable. I get why others would choose to use it under limited circumstances and don't disagree.
The issue for me is not a rollover wreck so much, but a much more common emergency braking issue, with or without an impact at the same time. If the gun is your primary, then you likely have no gun. Even if it is not your primary, as has been mentioned here before, I don't want the gun ending up under the pedal and causing more issues. The carbine will not do that ime.
Since I carry AIWB, gun access really isn't an issue for me. Even when I carried strongside, I had a fast, albeit fairly well telegraphed draw.
I don't understand why anyone is bringing up the carbine being unsecured.
We take measures to improve safety and minimize risk; safety and risk are not dealt with in absolutes. There is no other choice for the carbine in the context of protection work, or low-vis work in general; there are no currently offered gun racks which are appropriate for the context that Shrek is addressing here.
This is not a legitimate excuse to say, "whatever, you ride around with your carbine stuffed by the seat so that means it's okay for me to stuff a pistol under my leg." The former we don't have an option...the latter is just you making a decision.
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