Lawful Self-Defense to "Run-Down" Rioters?

[LSP972]

. A car isn't as bullet-resistant as Hollywood would suggest.

I have examined/processed dozens of vehicles... Most of them passenger cars or SUVs... that were struck with gun fire. They are more resilient than you think.

Rifle bullets with steel jackets or cores? Yeah, better have your life insurance paid up. Regular ball/ whatever? Different story.

[Peally]

They're 90% sheet metal and dinky plastic. Probably prudent not to get shot in one regardless.

[Drang]

To the original question:

Lawful Self-Defense to "Run-Down" Rioters?

I was reviewing my notes from MAG40 yesterday, and found the bit where Mas says that, in court proceedings regarding self-defense, "CYA" stands for Can You Articulate why you felt threatened, and why (in this case) you felt that the best way to deal with the threat was to "drive on", and let anyone in front of you worry about their own safety?

"I felt threatened by the behavior of the mob, and it was obvious to me that the best thing for me to do was get out of there. I put it in drove, and leaned on the horn. I wasn't trying to hit anyone, and was trying to go slowly enough to push them aside, but they kept pounding on the hood and the roof and..." {breaks into sobs...}

[Tamara]

"I felt threatened by the behavior of the mob, and it was obvious to me that the best thing for me to do was get out of there. I put it in drove, and leaned on the horn. I wasn't trying to hit anyone, and was trying to go slowly enough to push them aside, but they kept pounding on the hood and the roof and..." {breaks into sobs...}

Sobbing is inarticulate. Before breaking into sobs, I would articulate names like Reginald Denny and Alexian Lien and mention how both cases had stuck with me. Perhaps I would even point them to this thread where the distinction between loud protestors and violent rioters had been articulated and my discernment between the two had been noted as a matter of record in the past. Then I might start sobbing, because I hate getting stressed out in front of people.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

We were talking about this at lunch as we were discussing my new Forester and the options for a friend who wants to replace his truck. One guy was discussing how his new car has the automatic collision control, like we see on TV. Wouldn't it be ironic if it kept stopping you in the middle of the riot when folks get in front of you like the video linked on Greg's article? Would you remember to turn it off for the getaway? If you don't, you would probably forget to take off the safety of your 1911 for your last ditch stand.

My other suggestion is to carry poster board and a Magic Marker. Ditch the car, make a sign supporting the cause and join in - then move out of the crowd.

[Tamara]

My other suggestion is to carry poster board and a Magic Marker. Ditch the car, make a sign supporting the cause and join in - then move out of the crowd.

Legit LOL'ed.

[blues]

I like that Glenn. I was thinking of doing like I did when I was enlisted as an OTA for a Secret Service detail protecting Jesse Jackson during his run for president.

"There he is!!! There he is!!! Get him!"

[BobM]

Legit LOL'ed.

Me too!


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[Drang]

To the original question:
I was reviewing my notes from MAG40 yesterday, and found the bit where Mas says that, in court proceedings regarding self-defense, "CYA" stands for Can You Articulate why you felt threatened, and why (in this case) you felt that the best way to deal with the threat was to "drive on", and let anyone in front of you worry about their own safety?

"I felt threatened by the behavior of the mob, and it was obvious to me that the best thing for me to do was get out of there. I put it in drove, and leaned on the horn. I wasn't trying to hit anyone, and was trying to go slowly enough to push them aside, but they kept pounding on the hood and the roof and..." {breaks into sobs...}

As a serious plan, of course, it goes "Dial 911, put it on speaker, then put it in gear..."

[LSP972]

They're 90% sheet metal and dinky plastic.

How many gunshot " normal" vehicles have you examined?

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