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Thread: Heroin Overdose Epidemic - what is your perspective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe in PNG View Post
    I'm shocked, SHOCKED! to find out that the media got some facts wrong- thanks for the clarification.
    This strikes me as more of a case where the media blindly printed the scientifically unsound conclusions of police leadership. Of course, the fastest way for a beat reporter to lose valuable police contacts for future juicy stories is to have a real SME fact check the police source’s unfounded opinions. Part of the symbiotic relationship between LE and the press is that the former feeds the later in return for having stories printed in a particular manner...a manner that shapes a useful narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    There are more than a few of these reported “occupational exposures.” The medical consensus is that these cases are probably not related to opiate exposure or overdose from cutaneous exposure. Brief cutaneous contact with fentanyl (or its derivatives) cannot produce intoxication, much less an overdose. If they could, abusers wouldn’t go to the trouble of injection if they could simply rub it on their skin to get high. For perspective, the transcutaneous preparation of fentanyl takes hours to build up in the skin to a therapeutic level. Thus, the conclusions reached by the police sergeant in that article cannot be supported by science.
    So (big "if" here) if these cases are related to opiate exposure, how does it happen, then? Inhalation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olstyn View Post
    So (big "if" here) if these cases are related to opiate exposure, how does it happen, then? Inhalation?
    These cases are not related to opiate exposure.

    15+ years of practicing medicine have taught me that some patients experience symptoms in ways that cannot be explained by science.
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    Could these symptoms be an allergic reaction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by willie View Post
    Could these symptoms be an allergic reaction?
    No.

    If all the drug companies had to do to give people fentanyl was put it in a powder and open the bag near someone, they would have saved millions of dollars in R&D on transdermal patches. Even if you got some on intact skin, it wouldn't have the same effect as what is being described.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    These cases are not related to opiate exposure.

    15+ years of practicing medicine have taught me that some patients experience symptoms in ways that cannot be explained by science.
    I have read stories where folks have been knocked unconscious by undissolved sugar at the bottom of a drink that they thought was seditive powder, people acting drunk after drinking "vodka tonics" sans vodka....belief is powerful.
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