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    Why Johnny Can't Deport

    We've had several threads discussing crimes and terrorist acts committed by foreign nationals, some of whom were in the U.S. legally and some of whom were here illegally or had been released on supervision after being ordered removed ( current legal term for deportation).

    Several members have expressed their belief "all illegal aliens are deported by the feds".

    The article below does a good job detailing some of the issues and obstacles which prevent this from happening.

    Federal report blasts ICE for failure to deport illegal immigrant who murdered Conn. woman

    Haitian national Jean Jacques was sentenced to 60 years in prison earlier this month for the murder of Casey Chadwick, 25, in her Norwich apartment just over one year ago. The Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector General, which examined the circumstances that led up to the murder at the request of three Connecticut lawmakers, found the agency’s overwhelmed Immigration and Customs Enforcement bureau should have booted Jacques from the U.S. prior to the killing.

    “The caseloads of Deportation Officers in the field make personalized follow-up with the aliens under their supervision functionally impossible,” the report found, noting that at one office just four officers were assigned to facilitate deportation of 37,000 illegal immigrants following their release from prison.
    The report also found that officers typically don’t manage their crushing caseloads based on the threat posed by individuals, but instead by gauging their likelihood of removing subjects.

    In Jacques’ case, Haiti denied his entry three times when ICE tried to deport him, claiming there was no proof he was a Haitian citizen. Haiti refused to allow U.S. officials to obtain his birth certificate, and a 2001 U.S. Supreme Court decision limits how long immigration officials can detain people without deporting them. Jacques, who was held for a total of 205 days, was released.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/22...l?intcmp=hpbt2

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    This is how that issue should have been resolved.

    "here put this on"

    "what's this?"

    "a parachute"

    "what?"

    "three minutes!"

    "you heard him, you got three minutes"

    "wait...what?"

    "See we can't legally deport you to your home country, so we are going to push out of this plane, and by push you out this plane we mean allow you jump to your home on your request."

    "but...."

    "thirty seconds!"

    "ready or not, when that green light comes on you are going out that door."
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    One can dream but ....yeah.... not happening.

    Haiti is one of many countries who accept some of their people, but not others.

    We had similar issues with Jamaica and Guyana for years, but U.S. Dept. of State intervention was effective in both cases.
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    Why waste a perfectly good parachute?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPAKevin View Post
    Why waste a perfectly good parachute?
    Cheaper than Obamacare and an EBT card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyGBiv View Post
    Cheaper than Obamacare and an EBT card.
    ... and it would work for closing Gitmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPAKevin View Post
    ... and it would work for closing Gitmo.
    No parachutes for those guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post

    Several members have expressed their belief "all illegal aliens are deported by the feds".
    That's a sure sign of never having dealt with ICE or whatever it's called today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    That's a sure sign of never having dealt with ICE or whatever it's called today.
    Yup. With new cases / referrals it's not that they don't want to respond to you, their hands are tied by PEP. The presidents Priority Enforcement Program Civil Immigration.

    Illegal aliens must fit one of the following criteria to take action:
    -a felony conviction or the right type or number of midemeanor convictions
    -a terrorist,
    -documented gang member
    -a recent border entrant

    Exceptions for egregious cases must be written up and approved at the Field Office / SAC level which usually takes at least 24 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    We've had several threads discussing crimes and terrorist acts committed by foreign nationals, some of whom were in the U.S. legally and some of whom were here illegally or had been released on supervision after being ordered removed ( current legal term for deportation).

    Several members have expressed their belief "all illegal aliens are deported by the feds".

    The article below does a good job detailing some of the issues and obstacles which prevent this from happening.

    Federal report blasts ICE for failure to deport illegal immigrant who murdered Conn. woman





    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/22...l?intcmp=hpbt2
    Since I am one of the members you referred to, I would point out that what I was getting at is that an organization that has the resources to investigate illegal immigrants isn't going to investigate them, they are going to send them home. Making them the target of long term anti-terrorism monitoring INSTEAD of making them leave would be crazy.


    I have no doubts lots of illegals are known to immigration/LE, but they can't act on that knowledge. Same with a wide variety of criminals that are too small to take action on by departments that have more cases than time, money and officers.


    If the gov't agencies ever had so much time on their hands that they were maintaining preventative active terror investigations of illegal immigrants rather than showing them the door, I think that would cause some public outrage.

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