Orlando nightclub shooting

[Casual Friday]

I understand what both of you are saying, and I am very far from being a conspiracy theory tinfoil hat guy, but I'm inclined to believe that there is truth to what he's saying. How much? Time will tell, or maybe not.

I've seen a lot of people here referring to Mr. Haney. I would be cautious taking the specifics of what he says at face value.

His over all arguments about things like Jihad vs Sharia and PC culture within DHS ring true but many of his specific claims strike me as questionable or exaggerated.

There is a difference between "what you know" and "what you can prove".

Mr. Haney is not, and has never been LEO. He was an agriculture inspector at a port of entry, rolled into CBP when DHS was created. He then apparently transitioned to working as an Intel Research Specialist. This is unusual but not impossible for someone with a degree, particularly a graduate degree.

He makes reference to "cases" but there is a significant difference between Intel reports and criminal cases.

There are also differences between raw / general intelligence, predictive intelligence and actionable intelligence.

Showing a "connection" between a person and an organization or between two organizations and showing probable cause of criminal activity to a U.S. Attorney or a U.S. Magistrate are two different things.

I have heard from a couple of people I trust that Haney may or may not be onto something.

However, in LE organizations and Intel organizations, analysts often give much greater than appropriate weight to their findings. They also often contribute tremendously to a case.

Having said that, I don't think HCM's post above can be stated too emphatically, and for those of you who only know what has been reported (almost all of us, I think), you really need to keep his post in mind.

[11B10]

The last couple penetrated our borders inside the reproductive organs of their parents, which was pretty sophisticated and harder to detect.

Tam - I'm running out of "Likes" for you - where can I get some more?

[olstyn]

Tam - I'm running out of "Likes" for you - where can I get some more?

Her snark is both powerful and hilarious, which leads to her having that effect on many, many people. You really just have to get used to it.

[SLG]

Sarcasm detector failure?

Uh...right back at you. I didn't really think you were being serious. But seriously, if you talk about banning those two things again, I'm going to have to order a drone strike.:-)

[hufnagel]

fully loaded BUFF and carpet bomb his ass. it's the only way to be sure.

[Nephrology]

I understand what both of you are saying, and I am very far from being a conspiracy theory tinfoil hat guy, but I'm inclined to believe that there is truth to what he's saying. How much? Time will tell, or maybe not.

One thing that immediately set off my BS meter was when he said made the logical leap that the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce's affiliation with the Shariah Board of America meant that somehow they were seeking to impose Sharia'h law in the United States.

The word Shari'a means 'path' or 'way' most commonly used to refer to Islamic religious law. However, Sharia'h does not necessarily equate legal enforcement of Islamic principles; a good way to think about it would be like the term 'Kosher' (or, well, more accurately Halakah, but who's keeping track...). It's a guide on how to live your life in accordance with holy scripture.

If you don't believe me, visit the Sharia Board of America's website and see for yourself. It is basically a Q&A for religious questions about how to follow certain aspects of Shariah. My husband has psychiatric problems, what should I do? Is it permissible to attend interfaith services? Is it permissible to use Skype? etc.

Sure some of the answers are weird, but I think a lot of the things that Orthodox Jews do are pretty weird too. Nothing on the website suggests extremism or violence, and certainly nothing suggests that they have any interest in forcing non-Muslims to wear the Hijab/eat Halal etc....

[nycnoob]

Anti-Knowledge Dump

Ellifritz has a weekly knowledge dump, this post contains some amazing "anti knowledge" my facebook anti-gun friends dumped on me.

https://medium.com/@hollyefisherdext...369#.lzl1kh7fn

A bullet cannot penetrate through more than 3 feet of water (so if you’re ever being pursued by a shooter, jump in a pool or lake if possible).

[11B10]

Her snark is both powerful and hilarious, which leads to her having that effect on many, many people. You really just have to get used to it.

Hey, olstyn - I've been reading her for years and I'm not sure "getting used to it" works.

[Drang]

Tam - I'm running out of "Likes" for you - where can I get some more?

At the risk of sounding like a fanboi creeper or something, if you're running out of "Likes" for Tamara, you're doing it wrong.

[voodoo_man]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/22...d-to-wait.html

“We just basically stayed there, waited for movement, and we just held our position until SWAT got there,” he explained. “Once SWAT got there, they told us to retreat, that they’d take over because we were not really in tactical gear — we were just in our police uniforms.”

Cornwall’s account of the early standoff with Mateen is one of three other accounts that state and federal authorities are investigating, even if top police officials believe that everyone “did a good job.”

“That’s the worst part of this. I think we did an outstanding job, but unfortunately people died,” Orlando police Captain and SWAT commander Mary Canty said. He also added that the incident will be reviewed.

Something something evil militarization of police something something lessons from Columbine something something told you so.