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    Week 165: Lightning And Thunder (CM 09-09)

    Week 165: Lightning And Thunder (CM 09-09)

    Results may be posted until June 20th, 2016.

    Designed by: US Nationals Design Team
    Range: Varies, see below
    Target: Three USPSA Metric targets, spaced one foot apart
    Start Position: Loaded and holstered, hands relaxed at sides
    Rounds Fired: 18

    This week we are going to shoot a USPSA Classifier as the DotW. See the official written stage briefing here: http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/09-09.pdf

    For purposes of the DotW, we may have some imprecision in placing your gear in the most appropriate Division, determining Major or Minor scoring, and possibly in your setup (if you have fixed target stands/rails that don't let you put the targets exactly the right distance apart, for example.) We are just doing this for the DotW, and no official USPSA score will result, so it's not a big deal if there is a little variation from official USPSA rules.

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    First, let's figure out your Division:

    If your gun has a frame-mounted optic or a compensator, you are shooting Open. If your gun does not have a frame-mounted optic or a compensator, then you are shooting one of the other Divisions.

    If your holster is forward of your hip, as with AIWB, you are shooting Limited (or Open, if you are shooting a Carry Optics gun from a holster forward of the hip.) If your holster is not forward of your hip, then you are shooting either Single Stack, Production, Carry Optics, or Revolver. Limited-10 is the same as Limited because there is no reload on the clock in this classifier.

    If you are shooting a single action only gun, you are shooting Single Stack.

    If you are shooting a revolver, you are shooting Revolver.

    If you are shooting a double action or striker fired gun with iron sights, you are shooting Production. If you are shooting Production, then you are scored Minor regardless of your actual caliber or load.

    If you are shooting a Production gun out of a Production-legal holster, but the gun has a slide-mounted optic, you are shooting Carry Optics. If you are shooting Carry Optics, then you are scored Minor regardless of your actual caliber or load.

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    For our scoring purposes, if you are shooting 9mm/.38Spl, then you are scored Minor. If you are shooting .357/.40/.45, then you are scored Major (unless you are shooting Production or Carry Optics, then you are still scored Minor.) Minor scoring is A = 5 points, B/C = 3 points, D = 1 point. Major scoring is A = 5 points, B/C = 4 points, D = 2 points. Misses are -10 points for both Major and Minor. Hits to No-Shoots are -10 points for both Major and Minor. Shots fully within the black area (hardcover) of the center target count as misses.

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    Stage Procedure:

    Set timer to five seconds for all strings.

    String 1: 25 yards - On start signal, draw and engage targets with only two rounds each.

    String 2: 15 yards - On start signal, draw and engage targets with only one round each, make a mandatory reload, and reengage targets with only one round each.

    String 3: 10 yards - On start signal, draw and engage targets with only two rounds each strong hand only.

    This Classifier is Fixed Time. Extra shots, extra hits, and procedural errors receive a 10 point penalty each. Late shots receive a 5 point penalty each. There is a .3 second grace period in addition to the five second par time. Shots are considered late at 5.31 seconds. Shots are not late at 5.30 seconds.

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    Scoring:

    Add up your points.

    In this case, the total points you have on target (including penalties) is your Hit Factor. For example, if you have 50 points including penalties, your Hit Factor is 50.

    Divide your hit factor by the 100% hit factor for your Division to get your percentage on this classifier. In this case, USPSA sets the high hit factor at 90 for ALL DIVISIONS.

    95-100% = Grand Master
    85-94.9% = Master
    75-84.9% = A Class
    60-74.9% = B Class
    40-59.9% = C Class
    Below 40% = D Class

    Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

    Equipment used (pistol, holster, optional concealment garment if one was used)
    Division
    Total points
    Hit factor (same as total points)
    Percentage (your hit factor divided by the 100% hit factor for your Division)

    An example:

    You are shooting a G17 9mm handgun (no optic or compensator), carried in a strong side OWB holster. You are shooting Production Minor. You shoot all strings within the par time. You shoot a total of 50 points, and your hit factor is 50. Your percentage is 55.00% (your 50 hit factor/the high hit factor for all Divisions of 90.) You shot C class.

    You would report:
    G17, strong side OWB
    Production
    50 points
    50 hit factor
    55%

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    Yeah...I was a dumpster fire on this one. I am definitely not used to set time drills. My first run I had almost a full second left on the first stage, and the whole time I was trying to get all my shots in under the time limit instead of getting solid hits. My indexing sucked and I was firing with a sight picture canted left on the first target and then getting a good sight picture on the 2nd, etc. It was a good drill for me as it made me go back and look at why I was screwing the pooch. I also never got a shot off after the reload, I just can't get a reload from concealment fast enough so after the first go I just took the opportunity to try for 3 good hits.

    I shot my P226, which is DA/SA, so that makes me Production. .40S&W, but apparently irrelevant. Bladetech Eclipse IWB and Red Nichols OWB magazine carrier concealed under a polo (a departure from my normal sports coat)



    I'm not sure I'm scoring these right, and am assuming unfired shots don't count as misses.

    My first run was 45 points.
    My best run was 60 points.

    So 60 / .90 = 66.7% or "B" class.

    Side note, I went back and shot a single target with a 5 second par time because I knew I was indexing poorly and rushing the shots. I loaded a mag of 4 and shot this target:



    The last shot was 4.39. So, I think I'd be better served to forget trying to get all the shots under the time limit and make better hits even if I don't get to the 3rd target at all from the 25y.
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    I shot two matches this week that had distance and SHO so I knew I was ready for this one lol


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    25 yard stage

    4.50 seconds AC AA AC

    15 yard stage

    4.64 seconds AA AA AA

    10 yard stage

    3.61 seconds AC AC AC

    if I added everything up right and did the match right this is 80 points, 80/.90= 88.888888

    Master

    So that means in a match this is a solid C classifier lol
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    I shot this back in early April at a USPSA match. Carry Optics with the G19 MOS, 69/90 which was a 76.66, or low A.
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    Looks like late shots are absolutely worth taking, as -5 + points for a hit is WAY better than -10 for a miss if you run out of time and stop shooting. Can't get a GM score that way (85/90 = 94.4444%), but interesting to note that all A-zone hits with up to 2 late shots = Master.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olstyn View Post
    Looks like late shots are absolutely worth taking, as -5 + points for a hit is WAY better than -10 for a miss if you run out of time and stop shooting. Can't get a GM score that way (85/90 = 94.4444%), but interesting to note that all A-zone hits with up to 2 late shots = Master.
    In this classifier, which is fixed time, there is no ten point penalty for a miss. Since you lose five points for each shot over time, extra shots don't help and may hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    In this classifier, which is fixed time, there is no ten point penalty for a miss. Since you lose five points for each shot over time, extra shots don't help and may hurt.
    Thanks for the clarification; I don't think I've ever run into a fixed time classifier before, and apparently I missed that part of the scoring rules for them. Sorry for any confusion I caused anyone else reading the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olstyn View Post
    I don't think I've ever run into a fixed time classifier before
    I think maybe that's because everyone hates them. I certainly do. Unless the time happens to cater to a person's individual skill level, then it amounts to shooting at a completely artificial pace. Maybe that's supposed to be part of the challenge, I don't know. Hard for me, that's for sure.

    And I lol @ USPSA setting the same HHF for all Divisions. Uh huh, sure, USPSA, you funny...
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    25 Yard String: 4.79 AA, AC, AC
    15 Yard String: 6.03 AA, AC, AA (10 points penalty for over time)
    10 Yard String: 4.70 AC, AC, AC

    68/90 = 75.5. A Class

    This was a fun and challenging drill. I only shot it once.

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    Gen 3 17, under a polo, Dark Star Gear AIWB, JM AIWB SPMP
    Limited, minor
    61 points
    61 HF
    67%
    B class


    Times - @25 - 4.13 @15 - 5.24 @10 - 4.05
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