Why? I can't think of anyone I know who shoots Single Stack and CDP who doesn't load to at least a 170 PF "just in case."
Given that the expected disparity between CDP, ESP, and SSP rarely manifests, how about just having two simple semiauto divisions:
- 10rd capacity, 125 PF
- 8rd capacity, 165 PF
Seriously, if this is the biggest issue the "Tiger Teams" see, then they're missing the forest.
That would be WAAAAY too simple.
The Tiger Teams are actually set up to address a number of different issues. There are separate teams for everything from re-writing the rulebook, divisions/classification, equipment, and even social media and online engagement. I think it's more that shooters tend to get hung up on having their pet cartridge legalized for division X or division Y.
I've had more people ask me what the hell I was thinking when I wrote that. I actually took it from Vickers @ the Carolina Cup. He mentioned that when they originally started IDPA they debated about the PF for CDP. Ultimately Bill ended the discussion...and 165,000 it is. I really don't get why other calibers have never been allowed in CDP...unless it's a penis envy thing.
He also mentioned that the tac-load or RWR was not intended to be used in IDPA the way it is now. It was originally intended to keep you hot between stages. Somehow, that got screwed up as well. Unless MD's are given that discretion they (IDPA) will never make ranges hot so that's a non-issue.
In all seriousness though, if it stays the same I will have no heartburn over it...since I'm shooting CDP this year (2012) what I should do is have a buddly load me up some that just surpass the PF...nah, I just can't do it.
Last edited by KeeFus; 10-24-2011 at 03:50 PM. Reason: spellimg
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Stupid games with illogical rules that do not reflect reality...
If off the shelf 9mm ammo would reach the 125pf readily, I would go along with this. I mentioned something similar above with four divisions with a stock and a modified in each power factor, but when it comes down to it, if your classification system is valid, what difference does a magwell really make?
You have to remember that in the beginning you had to make power factor out of your gun. Since the idea was to encourage folks to shoot the compact guns they most often carried in real life, the power floor had to be low.
Very specifically, because the belief was that a 10mm loaded to the power floor would be far easier to shoot -- and probably more reliable -- than a .45 loaded to the power floor, and as such 10mm would dominate CDP. Since CDP was set up "for the 1911 guys" to begin with, it made sense that it be written around the .45 instead of other calibers. In fairness to IDPA, changing the rule would have catered to the three guys who actually carried 10mm and a bunch of gamers who were willing to go out and buy new guns. It would have hurt the 99% of 1911 guys who already owned and shot .45-cal guns.I really don't get why other calibers have never been allowed in CDP...unless it's a penis envy thing.
The first class I ever took from Ken Hackathorn was right around the time IDPA was getting off the ground. He commented back then that IDPA would do for the tac load what IPSC had done for the speed reload: make it into a religion that people thought was the only right way.He also mentioned that the tac-load or RWR was not intended to be used in IDPA the way it is now. It was originally intended to keep you hot between stages.
What off the shelf 9mm ammo won't make 125pf out of a G34? That's all your ammo is required to do. It doesn't have to make PF out of your gun. It has to make PF out of the gun with the longest legal barrel for the division. Presently that is a G34 for both ESP and SSP.