The glock 17 mags don't help on my 19, and inside 25 yards I shoot the 19 more accurately and it comes out faster both on my duty rigs and concealment holster. Both the dot torture and 10-8 pistol standards confirm this for me. Thanks for everyone that provided some insight and for the rest I'm not really sure what all the hostility is all about. For such a group of elitest who do nothing but plug what they consider the next big thing I'm pretty surprised. Every picture thread on this forum is flooded of everyone's carry guns with grip plugs, grip force adopters, stipple jobs, tritium sights, RMR's, Burton/Wilson full customs and the list goes on and on. Not sure how those things are any different than asking advice on a magell.