Latest thoughts on the M&P

[rauchman]

Thanks for the quick answer. It literally breaks my heart that "Joisy" is the way it is today. I had heard things like the ones you just quoted and hoped it was fiction. I just will not go somewhere that bans me from legally protecting me and mine. Massad Ayoob said several years ago: "No one should allow a bad law to make them a felon" - and - "if laws prevent you from carrying legally - it's a quality of life issue - it IS this simple: MOVE!" I'm sure you would agree that it rarely is THAT easy, right? I feel for you, brother - be careful out there.

I understand that technically, the way the law is written, guns are illegal in NJ. Having the NJ FID card is an exemption to that law. I just don't understand how that is constitutional.

My wife's parents are in their late 80's. For lack of a better way to say this, when they pass, we're probably moving to AZ, where much of my mother's family has moved to.

[rauchman]

My former employer, Indy Arms Company in Indianapolis, has five or six of the things that they ordered by accident and can't sell. They'll probably sell them to you for cost + shipping.

Really? That is some interesting news. Yes, I'd be very interested in buying those if possible. Thank you!

S&W 9mm complete slide assembly w/ night sights - new at. Midway.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/694...nd-p-9mm-luger

Thanks for the heads up on this. This may be a good way to go to scratch my itch w/out waiting 3 months to process permits. Thank you!

[agksimon]

Greetings,
I'm contemplating a newer 9mm fullsize variant. Ultimately my question is this, would you feel confident in the purchase of an M&P 9mm fullsize in relation to very good accuracy expectations (2"-2.5" 5 round groups at 25 yards) and reliability / durability, or am I wasting my time? No CCW in NJ. Purpose of the pistol would be HD, range, competition.

If you're getting 25 yard, 2 inch groups, your M&P is the exception, rather than the rule. The M&P 9's that I have benchrested couldn't get under 4-5 inches, no matter what ammo I tried, my brand new 5 inch Pro 9 included. I had to install an Apex barrel in it to get good accuracy, which is now 1-2 inches. I shot a friends Walther PPQ and got 2 inches or better, right out of the box.
Same with the Shield vs the Walther PPS M2. Shield got 6 inches, Walther PPS M2 got 3 inches. I gave my wife my Shield and bought the Walther. If I didn't have so much money into my 5 inch Pro, I'd sell it and buy a PPQ.

[rauchman]

If you're getting 25 yard, 2 inch groups, your M&P is the exception, rather than the rule. The M&P 9's that I have benchrested couldn't get under 4-5 inches, no matter what ammo I tried, my brand new 5 inch Pro 9 included. I had to install an Apex barrel in it to get good accuracy, which is now 1-2 inches. I shot a friends Walther PPQ and got 2 inches or better, right out of the box.
Same with the Shield vs the Walther PPS M2. Shield got 6 inches, Walther PPS M2 got 3 inches. I gave my wife my Shield and bought the Walther. If I didn't have so much money into my 5 inch Pro, I'd sell it and buy a PPQ.

Ahhh, but that's just it. I'm not getting 2"-2.5" groups at 25 yards. With a Beretta 92, Sig 226, Sig P320, PPQ, and others,...sure, but not the M&P.

[Greg]

Seems like the M&P might be better in the FO'tay than the 9mm. I've been tempted by some of the police trade in 40s found online.

FWIW I had a 2010 full sized 9mm M&P that shot 5-7" groups at 25 yards with good ammo. I parted with it. I just don't have an interest in gunsmithing a polymer pistol.

The M&P does have some nice characteristics. Wish S&W would get those pistols squared away.

[MGW]

My 5" Pro in 9mm will shoot 4-5" groups at 25yds off hand if I do my part. It was built mid 2015. Very low round count so far so I will have to wait and see if it holds up over time. Unless the P226 that has been calling my name sneak attacks my pocket book.