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Thread: Ever want to compare an Specwar, Omega, Sandman, Surge, YHM, OSS all at once?

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    Ever want to compare an Specwar, Omega, Sandman, Surge, YHM, OSS all at once?

    Well, I did too, and thanks to some awesome collaboration between Hansohn Bros, JPK, Mike from Wilson Customs, my friend Ray, and myself, we were able to do so. The weather threatened a little bit this morning, but it was perfect. A little cool, a little overcast, but an overall perfect day for shooting.

    The shoot originally started as an idea from one of the OSS threads since they have so few dB numbers published anywhere. Anyway, it grew from there and really became about the comparison of a bunch of cans in various configurations on the same day, same time, same whatever... This isn't meant to be a review, nor is this an attempt at anything like what NFA Reviews, MAC, Twang n bang, etc do... it's a lot of hard work! I threw this together on my phone because I didn't feel like hauling my video equipment out on a day where it might rain. Also, this was really about having a few hours of good time comparing some cans. Maybe we'll do a pistol/pistol caliber carbine one this summer?

    We threw everything on the table, and it was quite a sight....



    I broke into my stockpile of 220gr Silencerco Harvester 300blk ammo and Hansohn Bros (Chris) brought out his Larson Davis Model LXT1-QPR for metering and we got to work.. The 5.56 was PMC Xtac 55gr.
    Here is the video (shot and recorded on my iPhone 6+), and below are the results. I hope you enjoy the video as much as we enjoyed making it.
    https://youtu.be/sYlL8rWfjvg

    300 blk
    10.5 sbr

    OSS 762
    130.1
    127.4
    129.4
    128.9
    127.5

    300 blk
    8" sbr

    Sandman L
    132.6
    122.2
    121.2
    121.4
    119.4

    Sandman S
    135.4
    129.2
    131.1
    129.0
    133.0

    Silencerco Specwar 762
    123.8
    122.3
    121.9
    123.8
    121.7

    Silencerco Omega with brake
    123.9
    125.0
    122.5
    120.6
    120.0

    Silencerco Omega flat endcap
    127.0
    124.3
    124.1
    123.9
    121.7

    Rugged Surge full size
    126.0
    119.7
    119.0
    118.9
    118.4

    Rugged Surge K config
    127.8
    124.0
    122.5
    123.3
    123.3

    No can
    154.1
    153.8
    153.8
    153.5

    556 16" barrel

    No can
    160.4
    160.4
    160.4
    160.4
    160.2

    Silencerco Specwar K
    134.3
    131.7
    132.1
    130.6
    135.5

    Silencerco Specwar
    123.8
    127.1
    128.0
    128.1
    127.7

    Silencerco Omega 762 endcap
    132.8
    131.6
    130.0
    128.7
    Only 4 shots for some reason (looking at you, JPK, lol)

    Silencerco Omega 556 endcap
    129.0
    127.7
    127.7
    127.1
    127.8

    Silencerco Omega with brake
    134.4
    130.4
    129.5
    129.3
    129.6

    10.5" SBR 556
    No can
    162.4
    162.6
    160.5
    162.6
    162.6

    Dead Air Sandman L
    134.1
    131.9
    131.8
    131.2
    132.9

    Dead Air Sandman S
    139.7
    139.1
    139.9
    138.0
    136.9

    Dead Air brake no can (LOL)
    162.3
    163.2
    No mas!!!!

    Rugged Surge 762
    134.0
    131.0
    130.5
    129.7
    130.7

    Rugged Surge K 762 endcap
    134.8
    132.7
    Not properly captured
    133.4
    133.1

    Rugged Surge K 556 endcap
    134.2
    134.7
    134.2
    132.5
    132.9

    Rugged Surge 556 endcap
    127.6
    129.2
    129.6
    128.1
    129.4

    Silencerco Omega 762 Anchor brake
    131.6
    130.5
    131.3
    130.9
    131.0

    Silencerco Omega 762 flat endcap
    135.7
    133.9
    133.6
    132.8
    132.1

    Silencerco Omega 556 flat endcap
    132.1
    131.6
    136.6
    130.7
    131.5

    6.8 spc
    16" barrel

    Silencerco Omega 762 with anchor brake
    137.8
    132.1
    135.4
    136.7
    137.something (oops, my bad)
    137.8

    YHM Ultralite tactical 762
    140.8
    142.8
    139.9
    137.5
    137.0

    We all talked about it between the rounds and felt like tone was important, more so than the dB. I know I felt that the Rugged Surge, Dead Air Sandman, and the Silencerco Omega were ALL great. You really can't go wrong with any of those. The OSS was good at what I intended it for - limited/low blowback in full auto, but the meter readings were a little higher, but still fine IMO. Seemed to be a different kind of sound and not the same thump from the other cans.

    Numbers are numbers, but not the way the can should be judged IMO. The tone from the can as both the shooter (me) and the observers standing at different places around the firing line were how we interpreted the results. The Surge with subsonic 300blk was stupidly quiet by the meter AND had a great tone with that ammo and config. The Omega also sounded damn close.

    Just a few anecdotal notes from people at the shoot (they are opinions):
    - Specwar 762 and the Surge full size sounded damn near the same. We fired them alternating shots from 10.5" sbrs using the same ammo.
    - Surge sounded better (lower tone) in the K config than the full size config in a couple of cases.
    - Omega with brake had a deeper, less "offensive" tone than with either end cap.
    - Omega 5.56 end cap was noticeably more quiet than with 7.62 end cap, but not so much that one was "hearing safe" and one wasn't.
    - The Mask was shockingly quiet, especially for the size. We all agreed on this one.
    - An SBR with a brake on it should be classified as a destructive device.
    - Specwar K had a surprisingly pleasant tone despite the size.
    - Any one of the Omega, Sandman, and Surge would be a good purchase, but experiencing them first hand is a great way to comparison shop.

    Personal notes
    - The OSS performed well enough, and for the price I paid, it wasn't a bad deal. I'm glad I bought mine (actually 762 AND a 556), but I don't know what OSS plans to do now that their cans have a price of $500 on them. It wasn't worth 1500, or 1300, or 1k or whatever they were asking for them in years past.
    - I think to me, the overall best can was the Omega with the anchor brake. The end caps were neat, but highlighted that I don't think I care to spend the money on them when the anchor brake worked the best. The weight was light and the compatibility with the other cans in my lineup was a bonus (ASR mounting system).
    - I have an Omega and Sandman S in transfer (and a bunch more). I am considering adding a Surge to the mix.
    - After the shoot, one of the participants purchased an Omega last night because of the results/experience.

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    Site Supporter SeriousStudent's Avatar
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    Thanks very much for the information. I have a pair of Surges and Masks in NFA jail right now. I am very much looking forward to shooting them.

    Your review has definitely whetted my appetite.

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    Amazing work, still soaking it all in. Thank you for posting.

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    Thanks!

    I just got back my Form 4s for a Specwar K, Sandman-S, and warlock 2.

    Still waiting on the SiCo Hybrid and the surefire Ryder-Ti. Odd thing is the Sandman was submitted a month and a half later than the Surefire Can.

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    Take the numbers with a grain of salt, no standard was followed.

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    Thanks for posting this. I don't feel bad about my Omega 7.62 purchase, currently waiting for approval.

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    The Omega is a solid suppressor and sales leader for a reason.

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    I think this just solidified my desire to order a specwar k from Hansohn. Still waiting on my rugged surge, but might as well get another one into the pipeline.

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    Who's ready for round 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansohn Brothers View Post
    Who's ready for round 2?
    This guy
    #RESIST

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