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    Using A Revolver In IDPA

    Although I'm not IDPA classified in them, I've committed to using my revolvers in at least two IDPA matches each year; to maximize the experience, this year I did it in back-to-back matches, which enabled me to capitalize on improvements and having a continuous/consistant dry-fire practice regime throughout the 2 month period.

    In both matches, I used my Ruger GP100 in the Stock Service Revolver division in a Kramer horsehide IWB holster. While fully within compliance with IDPA SSR guidelines, my GP100 has been extensively refined and tuned by Chris Peters some 10 years ago; the only changes that I've subsequently made are to use the smaller/round-butt Ruger grip (the one that's OEM for the fixed-sight GP100), and to switch out the OEM 14 lb mainspring for a 12 lb Wolff, and similarly switch the 11 lb OEM trigger return spring with a Wolff 8 lb (To obtain the best balance of spring performance, I simply got the Wolff GP100 Shooters Pack, and did research and hands-on experimentation-on my particular gun, the 12/8 combination yields a lighter, smoother totally reliable combination without compromising trigger reset or reliability even with CCI primers {eight different factory cartridges/loadings were tried after the springs were installed}). Others that I came across in my research indicated that the 12lb mainspring was the best for across-the-board reliability; lower weightings tended to necessitate lighter primers (i.e., Federal) for 100% functioning; while the preponderance of shooters recommended the 10 lb trigger return spring to ensure a strong reset, my highly tuned and internally polished/cleaned up GP performed just fine (and with a lighter triggerpull) with the 8 lb Wolff trigger return spring.

    The GP100 plus Chris' action job plus a set of Millett Orange Bar sights worked well. Yeah, I was bog slow (in comparison to my Glocks which are what I usually use/carry, to say nothing of in comparison to the other auto-pistol toting competitors), but I was particularly pleased with my accuracy-due to dry- and range-fire practice, my index with the revolver was surprisingly effective.

    Using the new IDPA rules revision, throughout the match my primary reload was a Safariland Comp III speedloader kept in my strongside jacket pocket, with the second and third reloads being held in HKS speedloaders in a Bianchi Accumold dual pouch, mounted strongside, just ahead of the holster. I only needed to resort to the HKS reloads a couple of times throughout the 7 stage match, but when I did, I encountered zero problems in withdrawing them from the velcro-flapped Bianchi pouch (other than my slow speed). For additional practice, my initial administrative load before each stage was done with a Bianchi Speed Strip, since that's a consistant reload source when I choose to carry a revolver. So throughout the match I was able to consistantly utilize 3 different reload devices.

    While shooting the match in a squad where the most common pistol was a full-size Glock, in a squad of above-average skill fellow shooters (including one hearty soul using a 5-shot J-frame snubby for real-world practice), I never felt undergunned or frustrated by any limitations inherent to using a revolver per se. Having limited cartridges on board definitely forced me to hone in on accuracy, resulting to a slower overall time but my accuracy was definitely there. When practicing I noticed a discernable difference in draw times when using the Kramer horsehide holster in comparison to the kydex Blade-Tech IWB I had made for my Security Six, but in the match itself I never perceived that the draw time was unduly slow with the horsehide holster.

    For ammunition, I used Remington/UMC 125gr SJHP .38 Special +P; I've found it to be consistantly reliable, and a great analog for my real-world carry, the Remington Golden Saber 125 gr +P JHP cartridge. During the match, I encontered 1 primer that failed to ignite (firing pin indentation appeared to be more than sufficient, so I assume that it was simply a defective primer).

    While I only occassionally carry a revolver, I very consistantly keep one (usually the Security Six) in our nightstand drawer, so the match use (and pre-match practices) of the GP was time very well spent in a conceptual sense.

    The heavy barrel of the GP provides a very steady platform; while my standard/half-lug Security Six barrel is more dynamic in terms of being quicker to get from draw to initial shot, and quicker in target-to-target transition times, but the GP was definitely a tad steadier, and the weight decreased the necessary shot-to-shot recovery times.

    The Wolff spring set definitely enabled me to take advantage of Chris Peter's superb work (both at the time he did the work, and currently he was/is a senior Ruger employee {I believe that he's currently the head of their New Hampshire Customer Service Department}, so he felt compelled for purposes of liability to remain with the OEM springs, which are overly heavy-the Wolffs literally transformed the character of the action (for the better).

    The smaller "round-butt"/compact Ruger grips are excellent; their decreased size makes for much more viable concealed carry, without there being any compromise in grip whatsoever.

    The upshot (every pun intended) was that while I hardly set any IDPA match performance land-speed records, I'm very pleased with using my revolver in IDPA competition. There is a definite tranferrence for real-world use and carry techniques, and I feel much more confident in the viability of my using a revolver in self-defense applications due to both the matches and the pre/post match practices.

    Best, Jon
    Last edited by JonInWA; 03-01-2011 at 06:46 PM.

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    Jon, a random question, but what matches? I ask because I live in Redmond and shot the last IDPA match at Renton Fish and Game in SSR as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caleb View Post
    Jon, a random question, but what matches? I ask because I live in Redmond and shot the last IDPA match at Renton Fish and Game in SSR as well.
    The same, Caleb-Renton Fish and Game (my forum avatar is a image taken by Ed Leavett of me shooting my Gen 3 Glock G19 at one of the matches there at the moment of firing). We were in different squads at last month's match. I shot the GP100 in SSR in both the January and the recent February matches; last year I used my Security-Six in two of the matches. While I also like and recommend the subsequent week's matches at Paul Bunyan in Puyallup, it's difficult (both job-wise and Wifely Review Board-wise) for me to shoot two Saturday IDPA matches in a row...

    Best, Jon
    Last edited by JonInWA; 03-01-2011 at 07:32 PM.

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    Thanks, I've been meaning to get down to Puyallup for a match and haven't had the opportunity yet. Sadly, it also looks like I won't be shooting much revolver for the rest of the year.

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    I'm on the opposite coast from you guys. A local club here sponsors a sanctioned "Wheelgun Championship" and the regular monthly matches are revolver friendly. There a several shooters who shoot revolver there but bottom-feeders elsewhere.

    I'm planning to classify with a revolver and shoot in the Wheelgun Championship. I will most likely shoot my 586 is SSR, but maybe I'll go with a K frame.

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    i start IPSC revolver in Belgium, 629-1 44 magnum

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    When finances and match structure allow I try to shoot both CDP and SSR. Both of the local clubs I shoot at will allow additional runs in different classes. I shoot an early production 686 using safariland gear and compII speedloaders. This mimics my every day duty carry. Ammo is 160 LRN reloads at +P velocities.

    When I started it was just me and one of the professional shooters that would compete in SSR. It has caught on and at both clubs more shooters are competing in SSR.

    There have been a few nights that my revolver score bested my auto score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlweems View Post
    I'm on the opposite coast from you guys. A local club here sponsors a sanctioned "Wheelgun Championship" and the regular monthly matches are revolver friendly. There a several shooters who shoot revolver there but bottom-feeders elsewhere.

    I'm planning to classify with a revolver and shoot in the Wheelgun Championship. I will most likely shoot my 586 is SSR, but maybe I'll go with a K frame.
    They will be running the classifier tomorrow and next month at Cherokee. I'll give you $100 and a pack of Nabs for that 586.

    Wheeler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeler View Post
    They will be running the classifier tomorrow and next month at Cherokee. I'll give you $100 and a pack of Nabs for that 586.

    Wheeler
    I've been fighting a bug all week; so, I didn't make the trip for the classifier today. Of course, it's 13:15 now; so, I could leave the house, make the 40 minute drive, and still get there with about 30 minutes to spare before they start shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlweems View Post
    I've been fighting a bug all week; so, I didn't make the trip for the classifier today. Of course, it's 13:15 now; so, I could leave the house, make the 40 minute drive, and still get there with about 30 minutes to spare before they start shooting.
    Sorry to hear about the bug, hope you get better soon. I hate to break it to you but the classifier kicked off at just after 1PM, and the match just a few minutes after. I was on the DMG squad and we finished at about 1645. I think the DMG portion has finally smoothed out, then again it's the same folks every month.

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