New Data Analysis Shows Policing Isn't Racist

[cclaxton]

Isn't that what we've been saying to you for some time now? Want to have some fun now? Go to one of your meetings and explain that you've verified by whatever means that what cops told you about policing was actually true. Then see if any of the cop haters give a shit.

I have no doubt BLM will give a shit. I know their game. But, there are many that look to the facts to understand what is really going on. I think this study goes a long way towards helping demystify police work, and that is a good thing.
Cody

[Lon]

One of my first Sergeants told me a long time ago that if people don't take care of their cars they don't take care of their tickets. If they don't take care of their tickets they don't take care of their warrants.

Haha. My first FTO paraphrased that by telling me, "remember, pieces of shit (regardless of race) drive pieces of shit". It's amazing how accurate an experienced street cop can be when picking out cars on the street that will almost assuredly be driven by a suspended person.

[Dagga Boy]

Sadly, decades upon decades of handed down good cop work and an understanding of criminal trends, now enhanced with computers, is being diminished by the simple cry of "racism". Even most of the cases of white police shooting minorities in controversial shootings are the result of the cop dealing with a resistive criminal. These are all cases of folks fighting law enforcement, and then the elitist classes Monday morning QB'ing how it was handled. Every single incident could have been avoided by the suspect simply putting their hands up, submitting to cuffing, and it would have been over. The result of all the blame on race rather than criminals. Simple result.....leave criminals alone. When the criminals drift over to the limousine liberal side of town and victimizing them, when john q citizen gets tired of uninsured and unlicensed folks destroying their cars and injuring them in collisions, and when we get tired of roving gangs of criminals beating and robbing folks at will, will come the cry for the police to "do something". Sure hope they remember how or have enough folks left in police work to reverse the pendulum.

[Josh Runkle]

Fascinating Story about how data that shows racism in policing may be concealed by failing to look at the deeper data.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...omepage%2Fcard

Cody

Good article Cody. Thanks for sharing.

[Gadfly]

When the criminals drift over to the limousine liberal side of town and victimizing them, when john q citizen gets tired of uninsured and unlicensed folks destroying their cars and injuring them in collisions, and when we get tired of roving gangs of criminals beating and robbing folks at will, will come the cry for the police to "do something". Sure hope they remember how or have enough folks left in police work to reverse the pendulum.

Nyeti, your quote reminded me of "Watchmen":

Rorschach's Journal. October 12th, 1985: This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

[Poconnor]

My first FTO taught me all about "shitbox" cars. Talk about multiple probable cause. I learned early on its not just about race; it's about class. There is a significant overlap with poor people and the criminal subclass. Often the people I dealt with were stupid. I'm talking handicapped stupid. I often thought that rich people didn't get arrested or convicted more just because they were smarter and committed crimes that didn't bring them in contact with patrol officers.

[UNK]

I have no doubt BLM will give a shit. I know their game.
Cody

That's worthy of its own thread. I would like to hear your insider view on it.
SouthNarc is one insightful guy. Wouldn't you say Cody?

[UNK]

That's worthy of its own thread. I would like to hear your insider view on it.
SouthNarc is one insightful guy. Wouldn't you say Cody?

referencing this

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....l-call-stories


Roll call stories.



So here's an idea.

Poleese. Guys like Cody and MDS are genuine and well intentioned. I think they want to understand what you guys do. Here's what I would like you to do for them. Tell them your stories. Tell them what frustrates you. About the public, about the bosses, about your peers. All of it. Tell them about the good you did on shift last night. Let this thread be a journal. Much like Kevin Spacey's composition books in Seven, let this truly be the random out-pouring of your mind.

Moderators. For this to work the way I want it to, you are going to have to keep the non-LE posting limited to questions about the stories themselves. There can absolutely be no opining or judgement about what these guys say. And it's going to have to be actively monitored.
If the public wants to understand what these guys do then the first step is to listen, warts and all.

Yes or no?

[Peally]

This thread is a micro-aggression on my privilege

[Dagga Boy]

Brian B, I ll give this a try. My 2nd phase FTO was the best dope finding cop I have ever seen and just a stellar guy. He was also a no b.s. truth teller who's first words to me were "son, as far as the city is concerned, you are simply a hanger for that uniform and nobody really gives a crap about you". Talk about taking the excitement out of things....but lord was he right.

Early in training we were sitting off a side street next to the "Felony Freeway". This was a street that ran parallel to the Main Street through town that was often used by criminals to avoid the main drag where there tended to be more cops. So we are watching cars pass by and after about ten cars he points to one that drove by and said "that one". I pull out and he says "find some PC quickly". Vehicle had several minor mechanical violations and I pulled the car over. My FTO gets out and goes to the drivers side. Tells the driver why we stopped him, and then says.."where is your kit". I was baffled. The guy was already starting the "I don't have nothing". FTO gets him out of the car. Has him roll up his sleeves and sure enough, his arms are covered in track marks. His pupils were severely constricted and he showed all the classic signs of a heroin user. He was arrested for under the influence, his "kit" (syringe, spoon, and elastic) was rolled up in his sock and he was holding several balloons of heroin. Good felony arrest and the guy had a long rap sheet for burglary and drug possession.

Now....here is the key. Most uninformed observers would say we just picked on the guy for being Hispanic...this had zero to do with it. I asked my FTO later how the heck he knew the guy was dirty. He just looked at me like I was a total dumbass and says "who the fuck wears a long sleeve flannel in June in Southern California"?.....".guys covering up track marks that who." That is how cop work is done. Cops look for "anomaly's" . They look for things not right. They look for things that are usually an indicator that something is not right and criminal activity is occurring. They are deeply in tune with various cultural norms....and when those are in contrast. Good indicator in our area....black and Hispanic males in thug/gangster attire in a car together. You could go to Vegas with that one. Why..? Has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with gang culture. They do not mix on the street. It is part of gang culture. They are not as in tune with the idea of everybody is the same and should be mixed as liberal college professors think. The only time they would be driving around together in the same car...dope deal or some kind of other criminal conspiracy. It would not be to run down to McDonalds for burgers and a Coke. What generally happens is the anomaly draws your attention, and then you use their crappy car or crappy driving to develop your probable cause. What is happening now is cops are simply avoiding anomaly's, putting the blinders on and just answering calls they are sent to. What they public perceives in the case of our guy with the flannel shirt is a poor Hispanic guy getting picked on by the cops. Reality...him going to jail for the dope prevented hundreds of burglaries committed against the same folks who perceive the racist police. Current solution...just take burglary reports.