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    RCMP get $550K penalty for Labour Code conviction in Moncton Mountie shootings

    The RCMP must pay a penalty of $550,000 after Judge Leslie Jackson ruled the national police force failed its officers during the June 2014 shooting in Moncton, N.B., that left three of them dead. "A sentence must speak to future leadership of RCMP that duty to ensure member safety should be given high priority," Jackson said. In September, Jackson ruled the police force failed to provide adequate equipment and training to the Mounties who responded to the shootings by Justin Bourque as he made his way through a Moncton neighbourhood on the evening of June 4, 2014. RCMP Constables Fabrice Gevaudan, Doug Larche and Dave Ross were killed. Two more officers were shot but survived.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...cing-1.4504819

    The judge said high-powered carbine rifles could have made a difference for RCMP officers targeted by gunman Justin Bourque as he roamed a Moncton neighbourhood in 2014. The carbines were approved in 2011, but their rollout was repeatedly delayed. "It is clear to me, and accepted by both parties, that the provision of carbines to responding members on June 4, 2014, could have reduced the number of deaths and/or injuries," Jackson said. Carbine rifles were not available to general duty officers at the time of the Moncton shootings, and numerous witnesses said at trial they could have made a difference. Then-commissioner Bob Paulson testified during the RCMP's trial that management had concerns over the possible militarization of the force. He told the court he worried the carbines could "distance the public from the police."

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rcmp-f...page-1.3776704
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    You can't please everybody.

    Mounties carrying assault rifles at Prince George Canada Day celebrations sparks debate
    The presence of police officers carrying large assault rifles at Canada Day celebrations in Prince George, B.C., has sparked controversy in the city. Photos of a Mountie holding a C8 carbine rifle at the city's family event circulated online, leading some people to question why such heavily armed officers are necessary. An opinion piece in a local newspaper titled "Leave the guns at home" fuelled the debate. Adrienne Smith, human rights lawyer in Vancouver, expressed concern at the time about the impact such a visible display of force can have. "That kind of display in police uniforms is triggering for some people," Smith said. "People fear for their lives and recall trauma that they have experienced, often at the hands of police forces here and elsewhere." Cpl. Craig Douglass, media liaison officer with Prince George RCMP, defended the decision and argues that greater security is needed in the wake of attacks in other cities over the past years. "There's been [shooting] events in the recent past, like Parliament Hill [in 2014] and Moncton [N.B., also in 2014], both in Canada and both something that wasn't a good result," he said. "Because of those, RCMP and other police forces in the country have stepped up their capabilities in this area." "We certainly don't want to put fear in anyone," Douglass said. "But the fact is, whether we have the gun on our hip or we have it slung over our shoulder, it's still a gun and it still has the same capabilities."
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...-day-1.4736530

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    And if someone attacked the event, the public would have been complaining if officers didn't have the capability to stop the threat.
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    RCMP Comments on Firearm Training

    TheGunBlog.ca — The Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Canada’s largest police agency, comments below on its guns, firearm training, support and requirements for officers involved in shootings, and related topics.
    https://thegunblog.ca/2019/07/05/rcm...ngs-new-ar-15/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wendell View Post
    TheGunBlog.ca — The Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Canada’s largest police agency, comments below on its guns, firearm training, support and requirements for officers involved in shootings, and related topics.
    https://thegunblog.ca/2019/07/05/rcm...ngs-new-ar-15/
    We used to work with them back in the day. I've worked with them on narcotics and arms smuggling cases in years past. Good bunch to work with and alongside. (And they even had a pub in their HQ!!!)

    They had a permanent liaison assigned to the LE agencies in South FL who was great at greasing the skids.
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    4 Moncton Mounties sue federal government over 2014 shootings

    The plaintiffs, Constables Robert Nickerson, Shelly Mitchell, Martine Benoit and Mathieu Daigle, were among the first on the scene in the city's north end, when calls about a man walking down the street with a rifle came in. The officers only had duty pistols to defend themselves. All the plaintiffs say they have been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder stemming from the events of June 4, 2014. The lawsuits, filed against Canada's attorney general, hold the RCMP directly responsible for the harm done to the officers. The RCMP did not act with due diligence in rolling out the carbines, despite knowing of the potential grievous bodily harm or death that front-line officers faced," read the claims.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...ings-1.5286461

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    Some historical content, the NWMP(RCMP)who patrolled the "wild" frontier of western Canada used Winchester 1876 rifles. Currently RCMP members use the Colt C8 variant semi-auto rifle.
    The image of the RCMP by the Canadian public is the RCMP is always marching around in their scarlet red uniform, not realistic for modern day police work. RCMP upper management clings onto this self self imposed image, it sparks traditions, professionalism, and "the look". I have family and friends serving in the RCMP and city police in Canada.

    Today's Canadian police struggles with armed organized criminal gangs, violent offenders, and active shooters. Canada like the USA, is conflicted in how the police should respond, "tactical" or traditional policing(Bearcat rolling up the street or crown vic?) Does the RCMP need rifles, sure, there's a historical content. Will it scare the general public? Yes because the police look like a military solider. This is my opinion and does not reflect opinions of any members of the Canadian law enforcement community.


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    They've got their work cut out for them.

    On one of my last cases involving RCMP we were investigating individuals straw purchasing various weapons in South FL, (semi-auto and automatic), and smuggling them up to Canada to support the Rock Machine MC during a war it was having with the Hells Angels.

    I'm sure things haven't gotten much better since.
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    RCMP use of firearms far outpaces other intervention tactics, report shows

    The report, which is based on officers’ incident reports, showed Mounties have pointed firearms at people 5,441 times between 2017 and 2019, while the guns were simply brandished as a visual deterrent 3,062 times. Over the same time period, a conducted energy weapon was pointed on 995 occasions, and was drawn and displayed 504 times. The weapons were actually deployed a combined total of 1,438 times. According to the report, RCMP were involved in 99 officer-related shootings between 2017 and 2019, an average of 33 a year despite a dip in 2018. Of those shootings, 26 were fatal — an average of nine per year. Mounties also used “hard force” by hitting people — referred to as “stuns” and “strikes” in the report — over 2,000 times. Batons were used 105 times, while forceful takedowns were applied 842 times. Neck restraints were used 72 times.
    https://globalnews.ca/news/7078781/r...rearms-report/

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