Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 11 to 17 of 17

Thread: Precision Rifle: Training

  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by scw2 View Post
    Would you be willing to share in another thread? Would be interesting to see if what I'm working on is totally off base to becoming a better shooter and areas I should work on.
    That would be interesting to read.

  2. #12
    Site Supporter Clobbersaurus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Waaaay out west.
    Quote Originally Posted by SLG View Post
    That would be interesting to read.
    Seconded.

  3. #13
    I've shot rifles for a long while, and shot some PRS competitions. I am by no means a top competitor, I cannot commit enough time to that sport. What I have to say I will caveat by saying that these are my techniques, not procedure. Take 'em as my opinions. Who knows, I could be wrong.

    Rifle training. Lets assume a bolt gun in 6.5/260 as per the other thread. First task is learning to shoot and follow through so the shot goes where you want it to. Rifle shooting has a follow through, just like other sports. How you place your body behind the rifle, how you hold the rifle, how you place your cranium behind the scope, how you squeeze the trigger, and how you hold that position during recoil all have an effect on the shot. First you need to learn how to do this and master it. 100 yards works fine.

    Once you master these skills, then transfer them to the ground (or prone on your bench) and shoot from a prone position. Let assume a bipod. Sling shooting is a whole art itself. (A good art, but not a necessary path to travel enroute to PRS rifle mastery). Shooting prone from a bipod should be an easy transition from seated at the bench. Learn how to consistently shoot from prone at 100yds, such that you are as accurate as you are from the bench.

    From there, two branches to explore: hasty position shooting, and shooting at range in the wind. Position shooting is mastering a lot of unconventional / unstable body positions, and achieving the same level of accuracy as from prone. This takes practice, and some understanding of traditional shooting positions. The more you can make a PRS shooting body position into a stable repeatable platform, the better off you are. If you view photos from various PRS shoots (Rifles Only, etc...) you will see lots of improvised shooting positions. Practice these at 100 yards, practice stability (bone-bone contact), breathing, running the bolt, trigger squeeze/release and rifle follow through. Try to get your accuracy up to the level of prone.

    Shooting at distance in the wind. Another art. Best learned as a team, with a good spotter and a good spotting scope. Shoot at ~500yards, and focus the spotting scope about halfway to target. Watch the bullet trace in the spotting scope. It is more challenging to be a good spotter than a good shooter. A shooter needs to shoot accurately. The spotter needs to be able to provide accurate and effective corrections to the shooter to place the next shot (if missed) on target. The spotter needs to be able to range (laser), estimate range (mil-sizing), estimate winds (from flags or mirage) and provide pre-shot estimated corrections. Plan on dialing elevation (on the scope turret, or the horus-style reticle) and holding wind offsets on the reticle. Clear, concise standardized communications between the spotter and shooter are important. Buy establishing this, the shooter and spotter can quickly/effectively see the miss, plot the correction, and send the next round. This is not a simple skill, and takes solid practice. "Target 3, range 480 yards. Set 2.3 Mils. Hold .4 Mils right for wind." "On target" "Send it" "Miss left and low" "Hold top edge, favor right edge." or "Set 2.5 Mils, hold .6 right for wind" "Hit."

    So now you combine these skills and you can start to compete in PRS style events. You will shoot as teams or individuals, at varying ranges in varying wind/mirage conditions, from a variety of shooting positions. Rarely will you shoot from classic prone.

    On a side note, 22 long rifle can teach you a LOT about shooting at range. Shooting a .22 trainer at 200 yards has been compared to a .308 at 800 yards. I have found follow through is even more important when shooting the .22. Winds will push that little 40gr bullet around a lot, and the time of flight and bullet drop to 200 is significant. No need to get cosmic, a CZ 455 in a decent stock with a nice scope (or the one off your 6.5/260 using QD rings) will work nicely. Anschutz 54 or Rem 40X in a stock is better, but not required for the training benefit. If you cannot practice at 800 or 1000 very often, the a .22 at 100-200yds works well.

    Learn to run and love a ballistic computer. I use Shooter on my iPhone (by Bryan Litz), others work well also. Kestrel has one on some of their mind meters. It takes the math out of long-range elevation and windage.

    Before you shoot a stage, draw a map in your notebook and figure out ranges, elevation, wind corrections. Step up to shoot a stage with a plan. If shooting as a team, brief the plan before shooting. After the stage, debrief whether it was a good plan execute poorly, or a shitty plan to start. Either way, learn from your mistakes and shoot better next time.
    Last edited by Trigger; 02-03-2016 at 03:28 PM.

  4. #14
    Member Sal Picante's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    SunCoast
    Quote Originally Posted by Triggerf16 View Post
    I've shot rifles for a long while, and shot some PRS competitions. I am by no means a top competitor, I cannot commit enough time to that sport. What I have to say I will caveat by saying that these are my techniques, not procedure. Take 'em as my opinions. Who knows, I could be wrong.
    That's good info - thanks.

  5. #15
    Member Sal Picante's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    SunCoast
    Quote Originally Posted by Clobbersaurus View Post
    Seconded.
    I'll see if I can devote the time to it in "thread form"...

  6. #16
    Site Supporter Failure2Stop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    FL Space Coast
    I'm not a dedicated PRS shooter, but rather SPR/DMR type stuff with semi-autos with a past in military precision shooting in a combat role, but I think that the little things here cross the boundary without much translation:

    Don't be afraid to dial. With the advent of hold-off reticles lots of folks are simply holding off for a target array. Dialing in the median range makes the transition through an array with minor hold differences easier.

    Use an armboard. Number the targets and indicate the needed hold/drop/adjustment/whatever needed to get the hit.

    Don't get drowned in minutia. Focus on consistency.

    Get a Kestrel with Applied Ballistics. Maintain the data. Use it as a reference, not a faith system.

    Practice working from your drop chart (not electronic) and intuitive wind holds. There will come a time when technology will fail and wind will change during a course of fire.

    Don't shoot bad shots.
    Director Of Sales
    Knight's Armament Company

  7. #17
    My take,

    I RO for Competition Dynamics on occasion, gauge your wind not just at the muzzle but in the intermediate ground as well. Know how to shoot across terrain features. And at least at the match sites High angle knowledge is pretty important. Shoot lots of out of possession and off of nature obsticals, don't rely on gear too much it always seemed that the guys who shot the best had the most minimalist set up. Take all of this with a grain of salt because of the terrain encountered at these matches, rugged and we intentionally make the stages and the shoot positions difficult. and there was typically some sort of physical exertion involved in it.

    Also, this is just a casual observation from those matches, of you cant make an offhand 100yard shot on an 8in steel because of muscle fatigue either pair the rifle down, or get stronger. This is perhaps where I saw the most failings.

    Other than that go RO a match usually they welcome the help, i have learned more about the game that way then actually playing it.

User Tag List

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •