Week 146: Rangemaster Handgun Core Skills Test

[Mr_White]

It's interesting to see such high scores now after equipment and technique evolved a few more years. Five years ago a score of 150-180 was top tier performance.

That is cool because this is how humanity advances. It's not by reinventing the wheel every generation. We have to stand on the shoulders of the people who came before us and figure out how to reach even higher.

We have so many draws from the holster because we're trying to gauge civilian or plain-clothes police ability to respond to an immediate threat. In public, you are very unlikely to be walking around with a gun at the ready. With that, I consider draw speed to be a primary skill.

Totally agree.

We use hit factor scoring to get that balance of speed and accuracy. It was originally called Comstock Count, as it was devised by Walt Comstock in Southern California around 1970 or so. The goal was to reward shooters who shot faster while still getting their hits. Until then, most match stages involved time limits. That's fine for mass training, but not a good gauge of individual skill. If you can get the same hits as me in half the time, you're a better shot.

I think it's great that you use Comstock/hit factor scoring on this. Par times are a bit of a blunt instrument. I really prefer open-ended scoring for time, and that's one thing I really like about the RMHCST, the FAST, and it's why I prefer the IDPA Classifier to the Hackathorn Standards.

Glad to see you guys think the test has merit.

I absolutely do.

The extent to which it favors speed, and the generosity of the scoring area yield some interesting ways to game and interpret it.

I like the balance myself, at least if shot in good faith by someone who is honestly trying to get good hits at speed. I should try it again trying to go as fast as I can and see how the score comes out for me, even if it's with worse shooting - I do like that kind of scoring experiment. I personally think Comstock/hit factor scoring is pretty good, when used with Minor scoring (which the RMHCST effectively uses.) I can definitely understand the criticism of hit factor scoring when we are talking about Major caliber in USPSA. I think Minor is a good balance though.

[HopetonBrown]

Pistol, holster, and concealment used: G3 G17, JMCK OWBv1, Gore-Tex shell

Time for each string

1. 2.16
2. 3.62
3. 2.83
4. 2.99
5. 3.43
6. 6.18
7. 3.17
8. 4.4
9. 4.86

Total points

192

Total time

33.64

Final score

114

Anything you noticed

It was depressing.

[DEG]

Ran this again 2x this morning. I really like this drill.

Pistol, holster, and concealment used: Gen4 Glock 19, Fricke Archangel AIWB, closed front fleece jacket.

String 1
1) 2.37
2) 2.32

String 2
1) 3.52
2) 3.54

String 3
1) 1.87
2) 1.59

String 4
1) 2.63
2) 2.33

String 5
1) 2.98
2) 2.80

String 6
1) 4.06
2) 5.24

String 7
1) 2.78
2) 2.27

String 8
1) 4.46
2) 3.26

String 9
1) 3.48
2) 3.65

Total time
1) 28.15
2) 27.00

Total points
1) 182
2) 170

Final Scores
1) 129
2) 126

I was trying to push myself on time and dropped more shots than I would have liked, especially on the second run. I snagged my draw a couple of times on my pullover, which was a good reminder to _really_ get that garment out of the way. Big difference between shooting the G19 one handed vs the P30 LEM...the Glock trigger felt good, and almost like cheating in comparison

[BK14]

First drill of the week. Really fun, I need a better timer....

I shot this without concealment with a Glock 34 Gen 3 (Lighter springs, mag well, and X300U), out of a Safariland SLS 6280. No concealment.

Shot on a USPSA Metric Target.

String 1: 1.92

String 2: 3.77

String 3: 2.37

String 4: 4.05

String 5: 2.37

String 6: 4.23

String 7: 2.64

String 8: 3.15

String 9: 3.87

Total points: 194 (3 Charlie)

Time: 28.37

Final score: 138

Things noticed:

DOTW is fun. Gonna try to start hitting these now. I need to work on speed out of the SLS holster still (first time using it. Normally use an ALS)

My disclaimer: my timer malfunctioned at 5 times requiring me to reshoot string 6,8, and 9. In those strings that it didn't work, there were 4 Charlies (mostly replaced by my 3 Charlies on good runs) and 1 Delta. Soooo, had my timer worked/I not gotten to get some free practice runs, that wouldn't have gone quite as well.

[Range1]

Pistol - M&P 9mm Pro Series with cheap red dot; Holster -CompTac OWB; Concealment - Heavy winter jacket
String 1 - 2.72 with 20 points
String 2 - 5.23 with 25 points
String 3 - 3.54 with 20 points
String 4 - 6.78 with 25 points
String 5 - 4.62 with 30 points
String 6 - 7.72 with 30 points
String 7 - 3.28 with 15 points
String 8 - 4.59 with 18 points
String 9 - 7.66 with 13 points
Total points - 196
Total time - 46.16
Final score - 84.922

I really like the red dot but it is going to take some work.

[That Guy]

Equipment: Walther P99, JMCK IWB holster with 20 degree cant, concealment garments: two thick layers, closed front, drawstroke requires two hands and a snowshovel...

Times:

3.06
4.59
2.60
3.41
4.71
7.75
3.92
4.91
6.37

total time 41.32

total points 178

Final score: 86

Good grief I suck... But this test was fun to shoot and very interesting. I look forward to shooting it again during the summer, when I don't have to fight with my clothes so much.



(Damnit, why is the photo sideways? It's upright when I view it on my computer.)

[OnionsAndDragons]

G19 from my own gear AIWB, Defoor sights, WPA ammo.

S1: 1.91 C
S2:2.76 C
S3: 2.19 C
S4: 3.67 C
S5: 3.4 C
S6: 4.77 C
S7: 2.66 C
S8: 4.74 C
S9: 7.58 one miss inside bottle

SCORE: 117.57

Pretty satisfied with my overall performance. The three shots farthest left were all the 25yd rounds. I guess I need to do more 20-30yd work.

[bigslim]

G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a Tee shirt
Time for each string
String 1: 2.55 clean 20 points
String 2: 3.24 clean 25 points
String 3: 2.60 1 in Pin 18 points
String 4: 3.89 clean 25 points
String 5: 3.25 clean 30 points
String 6: 5.69 1 in Pin 28 points
String 7: 2.87 2 in Pin 11 points
String 8: 4.15 clean 20 points
String 9: 6.59 1 in Pin, 1 outside of Pin 8 points
Total points: 185
Total time: 34.83
Final score: 106
Anything you noticed: This drill really highlighted my lack of practice in both dry and live fire. I was having a tough time getting my grip together and driving the gun.



G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a tee shirt
Time for each string
String 1: 3.01 clean 20 points
String 2: 3.68 1 in Pin 23 points
String 3: 2.38 clean 20 points
String 4: 4.01 clean 25 points
String 5: 3.32 clean 30 points
String 6: 4.98 3 in Pin 24 points
String 7: 2.86 clean 15 points
String 8: 4.20 clean 20 points
String 9: 5.78 2 in Pin 11 points
Total points: 188
Total time: 34.22
Final score: 109
Anything you noticed:



Mike

[Mickey]

Glock 19 Gen4, deisbiens #4 concealed under a hoodie.

String1 3.27
String2 6.24
String3 3.13
String4 4.81
String5 5.98
String6 7.57
String7 4.83
String8 9.52
String9 11.62

Total score 178
Total time 57.03
Total score 62
Things I noticed: I keep dropping the first shot low and left after reload. I need to slow down after reload and not slap the trigger like it owes me money.

[bigslim]

Week 146: Rangemaster Handgun Core Skills Test

G19, Raven Phantom Light Bearing, IWB, Concealed under a Tee shirt
Time for each string
String 1: 2.80 clean 20 points
String 2: 3.45 1 in Pin 23 points
String 3: 2.60 clean 20 points
String 4: 4.29 1 in Pin 23 points
String 5: 3.44 1 in Pin 28 points
String 6: 5.02 4 in Pin 22 points
String 7: 3.08 1 in Pin 13 points
String 8: 4.24 1 in Pin 18 points
String 9: 5.63 15 points
Total points: 182
Total time: 34.55
Final score: 105

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Mike