Why We Can't Have Nice Things

[John Hearne]

I found on another forum and had to share. It's the LASD report on their M&P "problems." Link to the report: https://oig.lacounty.gov/Portals/OIG...e%20Report.pdf

I haven't had a chance to read every page, but it includes gems such as this (Page 20): "A deputy was inexplicably directing traffic with the weapon-mounted light rather than with a flashlight as trained by the LASD. The deputy discharged one round while doing so. This gun light did not have a grip switch attached."

The conclusions seem to support the idea that the ND's were a training issue. Not surprising since my cursory scan showed they had two-hours to get used to the WML.

[Tamara]

"A deputy was inexplicably directing traffic with the weapon-mounted light..."

The first time I heard that referred to, I thought it was hyperbole for humor's sake and not an actual thing. "Surely nobody could be that dumb," I thought to myself...

[John Hearne]

"Surely nobody could be that dumb," I thought to myself...

Please, stop thinking that - they take it as a challenge....

[Hambo]

John, you've got to get into Chiefthink mode: "It's a light. I switch on the light in my office all the time, a WML can't be any harder. Budget two hours training only because firearms guys are whining loudly that it's not that easy."

[Chuck Haggard]

My information on the LASO program, and that of Denver PD where they have also had numerous NDs with pistols with WMLs, is that what they call "training" is actualy what I would consider the very definition of what the courts have called "deliberate indifference to training".


Training................

[TC215]

Our patrol division is getting WML's this year. Im waiting for someone to use their's during the HGN test.

[Trooper224]

Our patrol division is getting WML's this year. Im waiting for someone to use their's during the HGN test.

You say that in jest but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. It took years for us to get WML's on our handguns. Years ago, out former superintendent saw a county deputy use his WML to check the VIN plate on a vehicle. That one stupid action by someone who wasn't even a member of our agency doomed WML's for years.

[Stephanie B]

The first time I heard that referred to, I thought it was hyperbole for humor's sake and not an actual thing. "Surely nobody could be that dumb," I thought to myself...

Just when you think something has been sailor-proofed, they build a better sailor....

[TC215]

You say that in jest but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. It took years for us to get WML's on our handguns. Years ago, out former superintendent saw a county deputy use his WML to check the VIN plate on a vehicle. That one stupid action by someone who wasn't even a member of our agency doomed WML's for years.

Unfortunately, it was only partly in jest.

[ST911]

I haven't had a chance to read every page, but it includes gems such as this (Page 20): "A deputy was inexplicably directing traffic with the weapon-mounted light rather than with a flashlight as trained by the LASD. The deputy discharged one round while doing so. This gun light did not have a grip switch attached."

The first time I heard that referred to, I thought it was hyperbole for humor's sake and not an actual thing. "Surely nobody could be that dumb," I thought to myself...

Read that and said, "yup." Not surprised, at all.