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    I can tell you from personal experience it is not unusual for CCA litigation to drag on for years.
    The two ranchers have stated the protesters don't speak on their behalf, and that they will surrender peacefully on schedule.
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    I don't know the particulars in this case. But I do know the nightmare that is the USFWS (Fish and Wildlife Service) They took years of my family's life in a failed attempt to make a wildlife refuge of our property and 50,000 acres. I tend to side with farmers and ranchers after that experience.
    I understand this statement.

    Sounds like these ranchers are getting far more time than more serious crimes. Is this in the best interest of our society to continue to punish them?
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    http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/ea...e-years-prison

    This is not about taking someone's ranch, this is about two individuals starting fires on federal land to 1) cover up poaching game and 2) starting fires on federal land to "protect their land." Conducting backfires without talking with firefighters, they are lucky they didn't kill some firefighters and get life sentences.

    I have no heartburn these folks sitting in prison, the having to go back because the court is funky or new rulings feels like they are getting jacked around.

    Ranchers who graze on public lands with the near non existent grazing fees should just admit it's welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance View Post
    The two ranchers have stated the protesters don't speak on their behalf, and that they will surrender peacefully on schedule.
    To me that removes what little justification there might be for the so called Militia's actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleLebowski View Post
    I understand this statement.

    Sounds like these ranchers are getting far more time than more serious crimes. Is this in the best interest of our society to continue to punish them?
    There is an accepted method to conduct prescribed fires. Meaning: firelines cut, personnel in place to hold the fire in the bounds of the plan, actually having a written plan ahead of time etc.


    Arson is a serious crime. So serious the use of deadly physical force is authorized to prevent it as with Murder, Rape, Robbery and Kidnapping. I don't know about you, but if I were a firefighter, on public land fighting a fire, and the person who started the original fire started another fire behind me with no notice, told me to clear out and then started yet another fire I would consider that a threat to my life and the lives of my fellow firefighters.



    Here is the actual indictment. http://www.thewildlifenews.com/wp-co...ndictment1.pdf

    25. On or about August 23, 2006, defendant DWIGHT LINCOLN HAMMOND, JR.
    and defendant STEVEN DWIGHT HAMMOND started, ignited and set a series of fires behind
    and in front of BLM employees and firefighters Chad Rott and Lisa Megargee on or near Bridge
    Creek Road, property owned and possessed by the United States, the DOl and BLM.
    27. On or about August 23,2006, after driving around BLM employees and
    firefighters Chad Rott and Lisa Megargee, defendant STEVEN DWIGHT HAMMOND stopped
    the pickup truck he was driving to allow defendant DWIGHT LINCOLN HAMMOND, JR. to
    get out ofthe pickup truck so he could start a series offires along or near Bridge Creek Road.

    28. On or about August 23, 2006, at approximately 10:00 am, without providing prior
    notification to BLM employees and firefighters, Chad Rott and Lisa Megargee, defendant
    DWIGHT LINCOLN HAMMOND, JR. started, ignited and set multiple fires along or near the
    Bridge Creek Road, property owned and possessed by the United States, the DOl and BLM,
    located in Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area, in Harney County,
    Oregon.

    29. On or about August 23, 2006, defendant STEVEN DWIGHT HAMMOND with
    defendant DWIGHT LINCOLN HAMMOND, JR. no longer a passenger, drove a pickup truck to
    the south end of Bridge Creek Road and met BLM employees and firefighters Lance Okeson and
    Joe Glascock, and when Lance Okeson informed him that he needed to notifY BLM what he was
    doing because he could kill someone, defendant STEVEN DWIGHT HAMMOND told Lance
    Okeson that maybe you guys had just better clear out.

    30. On or about August 23, 2006, at approximately 10:20 am, defendant DWIGHT
    LINCOLN HAMMOND, JR. started a fire in grass and vegetation near or beneath a juniper tree,
    then began walking west toward Bridge Creek Road.

    31. On or about August 23, 2006, as defendant DWIGHT LINCOLN HAMMOND,
    JR. was walking west across Bridge Creek Road, he did not stop after being told to do so by
    BLM employee and firefighter, Lance Okeson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Monster View Post
    http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/ea...e-years-prison

    This is not about taking someone's ranch, this is about two individuals starting fires on federal land to 1) cover up poaching game and 2) starting fires on federal land to "protect their land." Conducting backfires without talking with firefighters, they are lucky they didn't kill some firefighters and get life sentences.

    I have no heartburn these folks sitting in prison, the having to go back because the court is funky or new rulings feels like they are getting jacked around.

    Ranchers who graze on public lands with the near non existent grazing fees should just admit it's welfare.

    I think the sentencing is beyond ridiculous and quantifying my statement with the fact that I don't know much about the case; I know for a fact that starting controlled fires is a time honored method of dealing with unwanted plants and species.

    There's not a doubt in my mind that there is two sides to this story and I have a hard time believing the ranchers-slaughtering-deer-just for-fun charge.

    Probably a biased source but at least another side

    (a) In 1964 the Hammonds purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

    (a1) By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres and stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Being approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

    (a2) During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told that, “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”. 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

    (a3) By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentional diverted the water to bypassing the vast meadowlands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers that once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede and now the once thriving privately owned Silvies pains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

    (a4) By the 1990’s the Hammonds were one of the very few ranchers that still owned private property adjacent to the refuge. Susie Hammond in an effort to make sense of what was going on began compiling fact about the refuge. In a hidden public record she found a study that was done by the FWS in 1975. The study showed that the “no use” policies of the FWS on the refuge were causing the wildlife to leave the refuge and move to private property. The study showed that the private property adjacent to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge produced 4 times more ducks and geese than the refuge did. It also showed that the migrating birds were 13 times more likely to land on private property than on the refuge. When Susie brought this to the attention of the FWS and refuge personnel, her and her family became the subjects of a long train of abuses and corruptions.

    (b) In the early 1990’s the Hammonds filed on a livestock water source and obtained a deed for the water right from the State of Oregon. When the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) found out that the Hammonds obtained new water rights near the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge, they were agitated and became belligerent and vindictive towards the Hammonds. The US Fish and Wildlife Service challenged the Hammonds right to the water in an Oregon State Circuit Court. The court found that the Hammonds legally obtained rights to the water in accordance to State law and therefore the use of the water belongs to the Hammonds.*

    (c) In August 1994 the BLM & FWS illegally began building a fence around the Hammonds water source. Owning the water rights and knowing that their cattle relied on that water source daily the Hammonds tried to stop the building of the fence. The BLM & FWS called the Harney County Sheriff department and had Dwight Hammond (Father) arrested and charged with “disturbing and interfering with” federal officials or federal contractors (two counts, each a felony). He spent one night in the Deschutes County Jail in Bend, and a second night behind bars in Portland before he was hauled before a federal magistrate and released without bail. A hearing on the charges was postponed and the federal judge never set another date.

    (d) The FWS also began restricting access to upper pieces of the Hammond’s private property. In order to get to the upper part of the Hammond’s ranch they had to go on a road that went through the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge. The FWS began barricading the road and threatening the Hammonds if they drove through it. The Hammonds removed the barricades and gates and continued to use their right of access. The road was proven later to be owned by the County of Harney. This further enraged the BLM & FWS.

    (e) Shortly after the road & water disputes, the BLM & FWS arbitrarily revoked the Hammond’s upper grazing permit without any given cause, court proceeding or court ruling. As a traditional “fence out state” Oregon requires no obligation on the part of an owner to keep his or her livestock within a fence or to maintain control over the movement of the livestock. The Hammonds intended to still use their private property for grazing. However, they were informed that a federal judge ruled, in a federal court, that the federal government did not have to observe the Oregon fence out law. “Those laws are for the people, not for them”.

    (f) The Hammonds were forced to either build and maintain miles of fences or be restricted from the use of their private property. Cutting their ranch in almost half, they could not afford to fence the land, so the cattle were removed.

    (g) The Hammonds experienced many years of financial hardship due to the ranch being diminished. The Hammonds had to sale their ranch and home in order to purchase another property that had enough grass to feed their cattle. This property included two grazing rights on public land. Those were also arbitrarily revoked later.

    (h) The owner of the Hammond’s original ranch passed away from a heart attack and the Hammonds made a trade for the ranch back.

    (i) In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.

    (j) In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.

    (j1) The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined that the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.

    (k) In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges, they accused them of being “Terrorist” under the Federal Antiterrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death. Dwight & Steven’s mug shots were all over the news the next week posing them as “Arsonists”. Susan Hammond (Wife & Mother) said: “I would walk down the street or go in a store, people I had known for years would take extreme measures to avoid me”.

    (l) Shortly after the sentencing, Capital Press ran a story about the Hammonds. A person who identified as Greg Allum posted three comments on the article, calling the ranchers “clowns” who endangered firefighters and other people in the area while burning valuable rangeland. Greg Allum, a retired BLM heavy equipment operator, soon called Capital Press to complain that he had not made those comments and request that they be taken down from the website. Capital Press removed the comments. A search of the Internet Protocol address associated with the comments revealed it is owned by the BLM’s office in Denver, Colorado. Allum said, he is friends with the Hammonds and was alerted to the comments by neighbors who knew he wouldn’t have written them. “I feel bad for them. They lost a lot and they’re going to lose more,” Allum said of the ranchers. “They’re not terrorists. There’s this hatred in the BLM for them, and I don’t get it,” The retired BLM employee said. Jody Weil, deputy state director for communications at BLM’s Oregon office, indicated to reporters that if one of their agents falsified the comments, they would keep it private and not inform the public.

    (m) In September 2006, Dwight & Susan Hammond’s home was raided. The agents informed the Hammonds that they were looking for evidence that would connect them to the fires. The Hammonds later found out that a boot print and a tire tracks were found near one of the many fires. No matching boots or tires were found in the Hammonds home or on their property. Susan Hammond (Wife) later said; ” I have never felt so violated in my life. We are ranchers not criminals”. Steven Hammond openly maintains his testimony that he started the backfire to save the winter grass from being destroyed and that the backfire ended up working so well it put out the fire entirely altogether.

    (n) During the trial proceedings, Federal Court Judge Michael Hogan did not allow time for certain testimonies and evidence into the trail that would exonerate the Hammonds. Federal prosecuting attorney, Frank Papagni, was given full access for 6 days. He had ample time to use any evidence or testimony that strengthened the demonization of the Hammonds. The Hammonds attorney was only allowed 1 day. Much of the facts about the fires, land and why the Hammonds acted the way they did was not allowed into the proceedings and was not heard by the jury. For example, Judge Hogan did not allow time for the jury to hear or review certified scientific findings that the fires improved the health and productivity of the land. Or, that the Hammonds had been subject to vindictive behavior by multiple federal agencies for years.

    (o) Federal attorneys, Frank Papagni, hunted down a witness that was not mentally capable to be a credible witness. Dusty Hammond (grandson and nephew) testified that Steven told him to start a fire. He was 13 at the time and 24 when he testified (11 years later). At 24 Dusty had been suffering with mental problems for many years. He had estranged his family including his mother. Judge Hogan noted that Dusty’s memories as a 13-year-old boy were not clear or credible. He allowed the prosecution to continually use Dusty’s testimony anyway. When speaking to the Hammonds about this testimony, they understood that Dusty was manipulated and expressed nothing but love for their troubled grandson.

    (p) Judge Michael Hogan & Frank Papagni tampered with the jury many times throughout the proceedings, including during the selection process. Hogan & Papagni only allowed people on the jury who did not understand the customs and culture of the ranchers or how the land is used and cared for in the Diamond Valley. All of the jurors had to drive back and forth to Pendleton everyday. Some drove more than two hours each way. By day 8 they were exhausted and expressed desires to be home.

    On the final day, Judge Hogan kept pushing them to make a verdict. Several times during deliberation, Judge Hogan pushed them to make a decision. Judge Hogan also would not allow the jury to hear what punishment could be imposed upon an individual that has convicted as a terrorist under the 1996 act. The jury, not understanding the customs and cultures of the area, influenced by the prosecutors for 6 straight days, very exhausted, pushed for a verdict by the judge, unaware of the ramification of convicting someone as a terrorist, made a verdict and went home.

    (q) June 22, 2012, Dwight and Steven were found guilty of starting both the 2001 and the 2006 fires by the jury. However, the federal courts convicted them both as “Terrorist” under the 1996 Antiterrorism Act. Judge Hogan sentenced Dwight (Father) to 3 months in prison and Steven (son) to 12 months in federal prison. They were also stipulated to pay $400,000 to the BLM. Hogan overruling the minimum terrorist sentence, commenting that if the full five years were required it would be a violation of the 8th amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). The day of the sentencing Judge Hogan retired as a federal judge. In his honor the staff served chocolate cake in the courtroom.

    (r) On January 4,, 2013, Dwight and Steven reported to prison. They fulfilled their sentences, (Dwight 3 months, Steven 12 months). Dwight was released in March 2013 and Steven, January 2014.

    (s) Sometime in June 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with attorney Frank Papagni exemplifying further vindictive behavior by filing an appeal with the 9th District Federal Court seeking Dwight’s and Steven’s return to federal prison for the entire 5 years.*

    (t) In October 2015, the 9th District Court “resentenced” Dwight and Steven, requiring them to return to prison for several more years. Steven (46) has a wife and 3 children. Dwight (74) will leave Susan (74) to be alone after 55 years of marriage. If he survives, he will be 79 when he is released.

    (u) During the court preceding the Hammonds were forced to grant the BLM first right of refusal. If the Hammonds ever sold their ranch they would have to sell it to the BLM.

    (v) Dwight and Steven are ordered to report to federal prison again on January 4th, 2016 to begin their re-sentencing. Both their wives will have to manage the ranch for several years without them.

    To date they have paid $200,000 to the BLM, and the remainder $200,000 must be paid before the end of this year (2015). If the Hammonds cannot pay the fines to the BLM, they will be forced to sell the ranch to the BLM or face further prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleLebowski View Post
    I think the sentencing is beyond ridiculous and quantifying my statement with the fact that I don't know much about the case; I know for a fact that starting controlled fires is a time honored method of dealing with unwanted plants and species.

    There's not a doubt in my mind that there is two sides to this story and I have a hard time believing the ranchers-slaughtering-deer-just for-fun charge.
    Ranchers-slaughtering-deer-just-for-fun or not, they were intentionally putting peoples' lives at risk.

    End of story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    Ranchers-slaughtering-deer-just-for-fun or not, they were intentionally putting peoples' lives at risk.

    End of story.
    So, you are saying that these people were intentionally putting other people's lives at risk?

    On my family ranch, we do try to use fires to get rid of certain plants, and to bring back the grassland. It's an onerous process and we have no fire protection outside of the neighborhood volunteer force that is fully rancher funded yet we still get to pay full taxes

    Funny, if this case had been say a NY or NJ district attorney alleging that a gun owner had endangered people and done this and that, I'll bet most of you would be assuming much of the charges were bullshit. However, when it comes to anything with the government and private citizens, private citizens are in the wrong and the prosecutors aren't overstating nor embellishing a thing. The FWS is full of virtuous do-gooders beset on all sides by evil ranchers, hell bent on killing firefighters, destroying natural habitats, and just wanton destruction. That about cover it according to your own ample experience with the BLM, the FWS, and ranches in the West, TGS? My family's only owned the same ranch that we settled in 1890 but I'm sure that the government's version is the unvarnished truth regarding these evil doers and what we've seen in Wyoming with the BLM and FWS were simply figments of our imagination.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleLebowski View Post
    So, you are saying that these people were intentionally putting other people's lives at risk?

    On my family ranch, we do try to use fires to get rid of certain plants, and to bring back the grassland. It's an onerous process and we have no fire protection outside of the neighborhood volunteer force that is fully rancher funded yet we still get to pay full taxes

    Funny, if this case had been say a NY or NJ district attorney alleging that a gun owner had endangered people and done this and that, I'll bet most of you would be assuming much of the charges were bullshit. However, when it comes to anything with the government and private citizens, private citizens are in the wrong and the prosecutors aren't overstating nor embellishing a thing. The FWS is full of virtuous do-gooders beset on all sides by evil ranchers, hell bent on killing firefighters, destroying natural habitats, and just wanton destruction. That about cover it according to your own ample experience with the BLM, the FWS, and ranches in the West, TGS? My family's only owned the same ranch that we settled in 1890 but I'm sure that the government's version is the unvarnished truth regarding these evil doers and what we've seen in Wyoming with the BLM and FWS were simply figments of our imagination.
    1) That's all very nice and all, but has nothing to do with the fact that a judge presided over the trial and found the evidence to be admissible, and 12 of their peers found them guilty.

    2) As for ranching and fires, I grew up in farmland with yearly controlled burns and where the fire response for farmland fires was the farmers and any available friends. You're not speaking to someone as dumb on the issue as you think you are, and in the end the ad hominem attack doesn't matter anyways (refer back to point 1).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleLebowski View Post
    I think the sentencing is beyond ridiculous and quantifying my statement with the fact that I don't know much about the case;

    I know for a fact that starting controlled fires is a time honored method of dealing with unwanted plants and species. Yes it is. No argument about that. But in the second incident, 1) it was NOT a controlled burn - there were no controls in place, and 2) they intentionally set fires behind and around the firefighters to threaten / intimidate them.

    I have a hard time believing the ranchers-slaughtering-deer-just for-fun charge. That was the first incident - it sounds strange to me as well and I could give them the benefit of the doubt regarding this incident - my issue is with the second incident a few years later where they deleiberately set multiple fires behind and around the firefighters without notice, threatened the firefighters and then set additiona fires behind and around the firefighters
    I agree the evidence regarding the first incident is questionable as was connecting the first and second incidents, years apart as a conspiracy.

    However, the evidence in the second incident is clear as was the fact the Hammonds actions in the second incident were serious crimes which placed multiple peoples lives in danger.

    The Hammonds were convicted via a jury trial. Their attorney did his job and argued for a reduced sentence rather than the mandatory minimum. The Judge agreed and sentenced them to 3 months and 1 year respectively rather than the 5 year mandatory minumum. It is routine for both sides to appeal both convictions and sentencing decisons. The U.S. Attorney's office appealed the judge's sentencing decison to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (9thCCA). Years long litigation and appeals are common in the 9thCCA, which is also a notoriously liberal CCA. The 9thCCA ultimately ruled the trial Judge's sentencing decison finding the mandatory minumum sentnce unconstitutional. Basicaly one court ruled in their favor and the higher court did not. This is the system in action, the worst system, except for all the others.

    This is similar to the situation where the West Texas Border Patrol Agents were sentenced to 10 year mandory minumums for "crimes of violence while armed with firearms" because they had their government issued duty weapons. The issues with mandatory minimum sentences are a matter congress needs to address via changing the statutes. Given Hammond Senior's age executive clemency, like that recently excercised for many crack cocaine offenders would also be appropriate but I guess he is not in the appropriate demographic.
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