GM, no doubt.Originally Posted by Mr_White
GM, no doubt.
The original idea was to learn about which groups are issued pistols and have to make do with what they have, and are still expected to be able to perform at a relatively high standard for le/mil. Our suspicion was that most groups with these standards don't shoot bone stock pistols with heavy or mushy factory triggers (glock, beretta), but they might shoot stock on a SIG or lite LEM.
Obviously the POST quals, especially in our state (it's untimed), are pretty basic, so the question pertains to those trained far beyond that - to a level that competitive shooters would find decent. Eg, 7-10 second FAST/USPSA C/IDPA SS/some evidence of automaticity.
The problem was that most of the folks we thought of that fit that description made mods, like a minus dot connector, reduced power hammer springs and the ilk.
Maybe there are really two questions here:
1) For those units that shoot modified pistols to these standards, what mods do they make?
2) Does anyone shoot bone stock pistols to these standards? Eg, FAMS?
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RE: Question 1, my informal research indicates that you're likely to see match barrels, adjustable sights, slicked up internals, the occasional comp, and maybe stippling. It also indicates that you PROBABLY won't see lighter springs.
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Well, he certainly is sucking...At least he's wearing a mask...soooo he doesn't suck all of the oxygen from the room
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There are a couple that come to mind. As an agency, the FAMS do ok. Not by USPSA standards, but by professional gun carrying standards, they're pretty good. DSS MSD also uses stock pistols and shoots better still. Don't know about now, but at least as of a few years ago, there were Navy units shooting well with stock pistols.
I have no frame of reference to comment on specific agencies/units, their guns, and their level of skill. But, I know stock pistols can be shot extremely well. So I would think there is some group out there doing it.
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I'd bet that some of the NYPD special units have reached this level, and I can't see their admin folks cutting them any slack on mods. No idea which units they'd be, though...
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If you don't mind sharing, which pistols?
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