Hinged vs chain handcuffs

[pablo]

Break, no, but I've seen plenty of instances were they were flexed enough that the single strand missed the opening of the double strand when attempting to cuff a resisting subject.

Seen that and also when the cheek plates get squeezed together and the ratchet gets stuck.

[psalms144.1]

I prefer hinged, myself, but I have nothing like the experience of many other members here, so take my opinion very lightly. I have a set of S&W oversized hinged cuffs for "big folks" - but dang, they're heavy. They ride in my tact vest most of the time, with standard cuffs on my person.

[voodoo_man]

I've seen ASP cuffs break.

[jondoe297]

Hers is one where the guy breaks them when theyre on in front. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p82ypGazlRc

I've done that same trick with Peerless cuffs. However, try doing it with your hands behind your back. I couldn't, I bet he can't, and I doubt most most other people can either.

[voodoo_man]

Hers is one where the guy breaks them when theyre on in front. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p82ypGazlRc

LOL, I should have clicked on the link before I posted...my bad.

[Beat Trash]

I prefer hinged. Once on the suspect, I can grab the hinge for additional control. The hinge limits mobility of the suspect once cuffed. I once had a suspect with chain cuffs on (my partner's at the time) who we were transporting to jail. He was able to grab a cigarette and a lighter out of his front shirt pocket, light up and smoke, all the while cuffed from the rear. Granted he was skinny and flexible, but...

I was issued a pair of S&W hinged cuffs. I bought a second pair of Peerless hinged cuffs that are a bit bigger than the S&W's. I carried both. Some people had wrists too big for the S&W's. Some teens and women had wrists too small for the Peerless. Some were too big for just one pair of cuffs and you needed to daisy chain a pair of cuffs.

When I was a patrol officer, I liked carrying two cuffs. That they were different sizes gave me some additional flexibility.

[BehindBlueI's]

Additionally, hinged cuffs can be applied to both wrists simultaneously, something I never really could get down with chain cuffs, and many resists start with the first cuff going on. I'd hold their fingers while I did the pat down and they'd figure it was just a frisk, then snap the cuffs on before they realized they were being cuffed.

To reinforce this point, this just came up on ODMP: http://www.odmp.org/officer/22640-po...daniel-webster

[voodoo_man]

To reinforce this point, this just came up on ODMP: http://www.odmp.org/officer/22640-po...daniel-webster

RIP Officer Webster

[Gadfly]

That last post brings up Barrett Hill.

http://www.odmp.org/officer/15481-de...tt-travis-hill

Barry Hill had just got out of jail duty, and was starting in patrol. He was starting his FTO phase. He chased a guy on foot, while FTO chased a second suspect. Car theft. He radioed that he had one in custody. His partner then heard 6-7 gunshots. Partner found Barry shot in the vest several times. Once in the neck, once in the face. Turd was caught with one cuff on his wrist.

Investigation revealed Barry caught the guy and ordered him to kneel down, cross ankles, hands on head. Turd complied. He radioed "one in custody". He holstered, and went to cuff. One cuff on, the bad guys other hand shot down and drew a pistol. Turd stated he did not aim, he just started shooting over his shoulder. Barry went down. Wounded but alive. Vest stopped most rounds, and the neck wound was serious but possibly survivable. Turd stood over him and executed him.

Cuffing is dangerous.

Barry was a good man.


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[Chuck Haggard]

That last post brings up Barrett Hill.

http://www.odmp.org/officer/15481-de...tt-travis-hill

Barry Hill had just got out of jail duty, and was starting in patrol. He was starting his FTO phase. He chased a guy on foot, while FTO chased a second suspect. Car theft. He radioed that he had one in custody. His partner then heard 6-7 gunshots. Partner found Barry shot in the vest several times. Once in the neck, once in the face. Turd was caught with one cuff on his wrist.

Investigation revealed Barry caught the guy and ordered him to kneel down, cross ankles, hands on head. Turd complied. He radioed "one in custody". He holstered, and went to cuff. One cuff on, the bad guys other hand shot down and drew a pistol. Turd stated he did not aim, he just started shooting over his shoulder. Barry went down. Wounded but alive. Vest stopped most rounds, and the neck wound was serious but possibly survivable. Turd stood over him and executed him.

Cuffing is dangerous.

Barry was a good man.


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This specific case, and another very similar, are why I never, ever teach the hands on the head cuffing bullshit.