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Couple things on this one. I think they were actually transitioning from HK P-7 M8s to the SW-99s not the actual Walthers, which is why they were quickly replaced with SIG P-228s.
Regarding the magazine thing - there was an actual reason behind this. I'm not sure if it is still in effect but at that time the New Jersey state Attorney General's office had issued a legal opinion stating that state and local officers could only possess magazines greater than the state imposed 15 round limit while on duty. So if you were a New Jersey police officer issued say a Glock 17, you would be required to leave the gun at work or switch to 10 round magazines for off-duty carry.
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When the ridiculous NY SAFE act was passed (after hours in an "Emergency Session" called by the Governor, and allegedly only people known to be in support were invited), I was in the middle of a trial at the Southern District of NY. Speaking with the contract security officers there, who work for the US Marshal's, all of whom are retired NYPD officers, they were directed by their "boss" (contractor) to download their G19 magazines to 7 rounds.
I have several retired NY LEOs that have 10-round magazines that they are required to download to 7 rounds while carrying under HR 218...
I'll check through the NYPD connections to get the skinny on the G17s, though.
In NJ, unless one is an LEO for an agency in NJ and on duty, off duty cops and out of state cops can not have magazines exceeding 15 rounds, period. Cops wanting to carry their G17 home have to swap to ten round mags before leaving work. Back when the G17 was more commonly carried this led to a lot of guys carrying G19s off duty, not exactly a horrible choice.
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And don't get me started on off-duty no-JHP ammunition in New Joisey. I actually had folks ask me for .40 S&W FMJ ammunition for "off duty" carry. I pointed out to them in our policy where we're reasonable expected to be armed at all times, so we're TECHNICALLY never carrying a firearm "off duty."
Hopefully this will never become an issue. Sometimes NYistan sounds almost reasonable...