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    Europe's Immigration Crisis

    I, personally, have not visited any of the countries playing a role in this crisis. However, I know many members of this board have traveled all abouts, and I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts.

    Last week, Hungarian police found the bodies of 71 people in a truck, most of whom were evidently Syrian refugees. In another incident this week, Austrian police are trying to find three children who disappeared from the hospital after being rescued from a minivan filled with 26 people, also Syrian refugees.

    Just the other day, one person died, and three others were injured, in a shooting in Stockholm. The area the shooting occurred in houses a lot of immigrants. We recently had a thread discussing Sweden here.

    In the US, we're always hearing people scream and shout about "undocumented aliens", but it appears our more enlightened (ha) friends across the pond are struggling as well. Europe's open border policy may be at its end.

    So... what's the deal? Obviously, Europe is facing the same issues that the US is confronting regarding immigrants from Latin America: 75% of those incoming are honest people who just want a better life, and the other 25% are predators looking to exploit fresh(-er) meat. What to do, what to do?
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    Europe has an even bigger problem, look at the birth rates of Europeans. Over time, I predict that Europe as we know it will be transformed as the low birth rate Europeans are overtaken by high birth rate immigrants. Yes, US may have similar issue.

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    If you've got some time, do some googling on the immigrant rush at the channel tunnel entrance in France. When you've got hundreds of police at a single tunnel entrance being overrun by thousands of migrants, you've got problems.
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    Europe is totally Effed in the A, as they say. The tipping point has long been surpassed. This recent influx of stupidity by the EU and some of its member nations' politicians is utterly incomprehensible. Currently, the EU board of morons is busy chastising some member states for building stop-loss measures to protect their own borders....where have we heard that language before? Somehow the cultural acceptance of "I'm a European citizen of the global world" has taken such a deep hold that protecting one's own legal boundaries has become a "terrible thing". As we have seen many a time throughout history, the inevitable backlash will be ruthless and violent. What's that one saying about learning from the past....
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    Of course, the great prophet Nostradamus saw all this coming when he predicted "The Camel will drink from the Rhine"....
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    The sheer mass and numbers are pretty staggering. There are too many of them and their circumstances too dire to simply try to stop everyone at their borders.

    Instead, they should be figuring out how to assimilate them, but that's another word that's become 'dirty', so I doubt there's sufficient will.

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    Stabilizing their homelands would probably be the best thing for everyone. Destroy ISIS, clean up a seriously messed up regime, (Assads), neither of which seem to occur to anyone wringing their hands over all this. Its too politicaly unpalatable to support the people doing the hard work on the ground in Syria (the Kurds), but the consequences are pretty severe for not doing so.

    Germany has sent some small arms and Milan rockets, to their credit. Its highly entertaining to see the Milans in action in the Kurds hands against ISIS.

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    My biggest issue is the seemingly automatic assumption that European countries MUST do something to help these people. That's so far out of bounds it's absurd. Germany specifically is getting hammered by this recent wave. As is France and England(which better start pouring football fields of concrete into the EuroTunnel if it wants to survive). Again, this false notion that the wealthiest countries have to act to help these migrants is baffling beyond belief. They are being shuttled from thousands upon thousands of miles away to border regions they cannot identify on the map. They share virtually zero common ground (language, religion, socio-political background, culture, etc.) and they will never, ever "assimilate" into whatever host nation they land in. It hasn't happened with the previous generations of muslims and other non-European migrants, and it sure as #$%^ won't happen with these waves. The political correctness in Olde Europe has most certainly been its demise.
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    It's quite easy to "assimilate" those who have no desire to be part of the host culture. You just give up your way of life, your traditions and preconceived notions on what world you had hoped your progeny would live in. Oh, and open your wallet wide so that the new population can have a "fair" start. Easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FNFAN View Post
    It's quite easy to "assimilate" those who have no desire to be part of the host culture. You just give up your way of life, your traditions and preconceived notions on what world you had hoped your progeny would live in. Oh, and open your wallet wide so that the new population can have a "fair" start. Easy.
    Been there, seen that. It really pains me to see Germany just utterly wrecking itself in this manner. The worst thing to happen to post-WW2 Germany was the Wall being built which caused the need for the "guest worker program" to arise, thereby creating the first wave of this modern issue. The second worst thing to happen to post-WW2 Germany was the Wall coming down, creating an overnight influx of "internal immigrants" who had been so far removed politically, mentally, culturally and socio-econimcally from their common German (some would argue that part of Germany IE Prussia had never shared anything with the rest of the peoples) roots, which exposed a virtually unbridgeable divide between the Ossies and the West. Not a good place to be these days.
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