Very good. Sounds like solid advice. Thanks.
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Very good. Sounds like solid advice. Thanks.
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This may be worth a thread in itself- the classic assumption around the gun counter is that .45acp is THE JMB blessed Hammer of Thor, able to throw baddies as if they were tied to ropes.
That .45 ACP ball is a bit of a disappointment comes as a surprise to none here, but that .45 JHP is struggling to perform is.
re: 230gr .45ACP +P
In both HST and Ranger-T, the only ones with which I've really done a reasonable amount of chrono testing over a variety of guns, I've found that the velocity difference between the standard pressure and +P offerings is smaller than lot-to-lot differences in velocity. In other words, going back through my notebook, it's not uncommon to find that the +P I'm shooting this month is putting up slower numbers than the standard pressure I chronoed in a test last year.
In the Winchester Ranger T (RA45T) there is also the little known fact that new and fresh tooling that makes the talons and scores the jacket make the bullet behave well, even in standard pressure out of short barrel pistols. But, when the tooling wears, and they keep making bullets when they should have stopped to change out tooling, then you get copper jackets that are irregular in consistent expansion. Sometimes only 2/3 will expand, sometimes none with the standard pressure round. Out of longer barrels, the issue is less pronounced... IE longer is better for these standard RA45T. The +P only have 2000 psi extra over the others, but when it comes to short barrels, it seems to make a difference and ESPECIALLY when the bullet has not been properly scored.
Fired some RA45TP yesterday out of my S&W shield .45 and it worked admirably. below is a pic (and I've seen very similar on Google search) of 2 talons completely unaffected, and still folded inside.
Vern
Ol' Nebraskan.
Last edited by Tamara; 05-21-2017 at 09:01 PM.
If you look at the chronograph results here http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self...llistic-tests/ the difference between the Winchester Ranger in .45 for the standard velocity and +P loads is 4 feet per second.
With the Federal HST there is 22 feet per second difference between the standard velocity load and the +P load.
Last edited by Ed L; 05-21-2017 at 09:14 PM.
I'm not surprised by all the variations ppl are getting with Winchester. Their .45 loads have been all over the place in the last decade. Also one thing to keep in mind is that velocities can differ greatly depending on your location. When I transferred from Colorado to Louisiana, the exact same box lots of 9mm 147gr duty loads were 20-30fps slower when chronoed at the new location.
"A man with an experience is not a slave to a man with an opinion."
But I don't need to look at Lucky Gunner's results*. Like I said, over the last several years my own chronograph results show that the difference between std. pressure and +P from both manufacturers is smaller than the lot-to-lot variation.
*Although I think the Lucky Gunner Lounge is one of the best sources of low-derp-content writing on the internet, and I don't say that just because several members of this board are published there.
Last edited by Tamara; 05-21-2017 at 09:40 PM.