Hillary Clinton Sent Classified Emails via Private Mail Server

[RoyGBiv]

The entertaining prose calms the percolating bile... a bit.

Of Course Hillary Clinton Identifies with Cersei Lannister. They Are the Same Person.

One is an entitled narcissist who quietly supported her lecherous husband (whom she clearly loathed) when it was politically convenient, then insisted it was her turn to rule (even though it wasn't), chose boot-lickers, ass-kissers, and elitist bankers as her advisors while alienating more competent and better-liked people who might have helped her, exacted petty vengeance on imagined enemies, escaped justice and the judgment of the people by destroying her main rival—the charismatic, income-inequality obsessed populist—with an explosive cheat, and was left confused why so many people in her country would rather be ruled by a complete political unknown who tells it like it is.

The other fucks her twin brother.

[RoyGBiv]

Fire breaks out at Clintons' property in Chappaqua, NY

"I'm sorry, those records were destroyed in a recent fire."

You know she's laughing at us right now.

[Arbninftry]

Fire breaks out at Clintons' property in Chappaqua, NY

"I'm sorry, those records were destroyed in a recent fire."

You know she's laughing at us right now.

I thought she would know not to burn everything at once.


But, we could hope that Bill was trying to burn a witch at the stake!!

[RoyGBiv]

Nobody... NOBODY... Has bigger balls than HRC.

Hillary Clinton: Anyone other than Trump would have been indicted for obstruction

“I think there’s enough there that any other person who had engaged in those acts would certainly have been indicted,”

I'd rather be picked for her Grand Jury than win the lottery.

[jrm]

Nobody... NOBODY... Has bigger balls than HRC.

Hillary Clinton: Anyone other than Trump would have been indicted for obstruction



I'd rather be picked for her Grand Jury than win the lottery.

While I do believe their is a ton of bad stuff in the Mueller Report and Mueller made it pretty clear he was never going to indict Trump because he is a sitting president and apparently it doesn’t matter what you do as long as you are a sitting president; Hillary needs to shut up and go away she is the poster child for two sets of standards one for the rich and powerful and one for everyone else.

[blues]

While I do believe their is a ton of bad stuff in the Mueller Report and Mueller made it pretty clear he was never going to indict Trump because he is a sitting president and apparently it doesn’t matter what you do as long as you are a sitting president; Hillary needs to shut up and go away she is the poster child for two sets of standards one for the rich and powerful and one for everyone else.

Where would you like us to send your personal effects?

[Glenn E. Meyer]

As Obama was a great salesperson for ARs, Hillary was the greatest salesperson for Trump. The only candidate that could lose to him. In an alternate universe, President Bernie brings peace and harmony to the USA and the world and Melania's lawyers leave Donald standing in his underpants.

[JHC]

While I do believe their is a ton of bad stuff in the Mueller Report and Mueller made it pretty clear he was never going to indict Trump because he is a sitting president and apparently it doesn’t matter what you do as long as you are a sitting president; Hillary needs to shut up and go away she is the poster child for two sets of standards one for the rich and powerful and one for everyone else.

Advice to Hillary to shut up is always sound advice!

This is an analysis of the history of investigations vs prosecutions for these crimes. I found it interesting. Here are a few excerpts but the whole thing is a pretty good read.


"Between 2011 and 2015, federal prosecutors disposed of 30 referrals from investigators in cases where the main proposed charge was misdemeanor mishandling of classified information, according to data obtained from the Justice Department by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse. Prosecution was declined in 80 percent of those cases. Of the six where charges were filed, all the defendants apparently pled guilty, the data show."

"Of those subsequently marked as classified, more than 96 percent have been marked “Confidential,” because they contain diplomatic exchanges or information about foreign governments. Many of those messages had already been shared on other unclassified systems, including within the State Department."

"In addition, some former diplomats and experts on classification procedures maintain that in practice the “Confidential” stamp has become a way for State to prevent disclosure of foreign government information after it is requested under the Freedom of Information Act, even though little effort is made to classify the information at the time it is being circulated by U.S. officials."


"Lawyers say the broad circulation of the information State now says is classified points to another potential problem with prosecuting Clinton: the question of how many others would or should be charged in such a case. Almost all of the now-classified messages on her account were sent by other State officials. Should they be prosecuted? What about those who didn’t send her such information but wound up with that information in their work accounts and even personal ones investigators are now combing through?"

“On the theory people are putting forward for making this criminal, every single one of those people [who sent a classified message on an unclassified system] is equally guilty, probably more guilty” than Clinton, the ex-prosecutor said. “People three or four levels down, closer to the information, presumably had greater reason to know if it contained classified information … It would make no sense to aim your fire at the person at the end of the chain, instead of at the beginning of the chain.”

"It’s also unclear whether the information was less secure on Clinton’s home server than on the State Department’s unclassified email system used to send most of the now-classified messages to her in the first place. State’s system was an obvious target and has been repeatedly broken into by the Russian government, U.S. officials have said."

“The Deutch case was quite a bit more egregious in terms of, by day, he would approve covert ops and this and that and at night go home and write a diary, a detailed recitation of his day, to include covert programs and the identity of covert operatives,” said Bill Leonard, former director of the federal Information Security and Oversight Office, a clearinghouse for classification standards and disputes in the U.S. Government. “He was actually creating these documents.”

"Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales took home “Top Secret” notes on the Bush Administration’s warrantless wiretapping program and later stored those notes and more than a dozen other highly classified documents in his office safe even though it was not authorized to contain such secrets. Justice Department prosecutors turned down the case."

"John O’Neill, a veteran FBI official credited with being focused before September 11, 2001 on the threat posed by Al Qaeda, left a briefcase in a Tampa hotel conference room in 2000 containing very sensitive, classified information (including e-mails) about counterintelligence and anti-terror operations in the New York area. The briefcase was found a few hours later in another hotel, with some items missing but the classified papers intact. Prosecutors also declined to prosecute O’Neill, but he quit the bureau before it could decide what discipline to impose for the incident. He took a new job managing security at the World Trade Center, where he was killed in the September 11, 2001, attacks."

"Former FBI agent J.J. Smith was charged with five felonies, including grossly negligent mishandling of classified information for allowing an FBI informant to obtain highly sensitive bureau information. Smith was having an affair with the informant, Katrina Leung, who was also working for Chinese intelligence. Leung wound up with several FBI documents including a “Secret” memo on Chinese fugitives and an unclassified FBI phone directory. She said she regularly took documents from Smith’s briefcase, which he often left open when he visited her. In a plea deal, Smith pleaded guilty to a single felony count of lying to investigators. He was sentenced to three months house arrest, three years probation and a $10,000 fine."



- it's long, there's a lot more here, esp about more cases that did lead to a prosecution - which hinged on the "smuggler" knowing very well the material was classified when it was absconded with and often lying to investigators about it. Petraeus included.


https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...t-cases-221744

[Borderland]

I disagree. I think we'll see a Sanders/Warren or else an O'Malley/Sanders ticket. Hilary is being played and she doesn't realize it.

Well, I think you may have something there. Old, gay or socialist isn't necessarily a bad thing these days. Trump is old and moderates his position when it's in his best interest. A nationalist just plays the crowd for whatever works. That's been his MO from the beginning. People are onto that. Ann Coulter has his number. The gullible is his canvas and bullshit is his medium.

I think there's a lot of very clever dem politicians forming up a strategy to unseat Trump. I believe that Bernie could have beat Trump in 2016 if the DNC hadn't fallen on their own sword. To many boomers knew she was a crook and deep state insider (well played by Trump) and millennial socialists knew she was a capitalist tool. About all she had going for her was the liberal female minority vote. Again something Trump used like a pro against her.

Look for a dem end run around just about all of that in 2020. Bernie has as good a strategy as any so far. Angry Joe might as well go fishing.

[Josh Runkle]

Well, I think you may have something there. Old, gay or socialist isn't necessarily a bad thing these days. Trump is old and moderates his position when it's in his best interest. A nationalist just plays the crowd for whatever works. That's been his MO from the beginning. People are onto that. Ann Coulter has his number. The gullible is his canvas and bullshit is his medium.

I think there's a lot of very clever dem politicians forming up a strategy to unseat Trump. I believe that Bernie could have beat Trump in 2016 if the DNC hadn't fallen on their own sword. To many boomers knew she was a crook and deep state insider (well played by Trump) and millennial socialists knew she was a capitalist tool. About all she had going for her was the liberal female minority vote. Again something Trump used like a pro against her.

Look for a dem end run around just about all of that in 2020. Bernie has as good a strategy as any so far. Angry Joe might as well go fishing.

You quoted me from 2015. Today I think Biden, Yang or Buttigieg could win in the general, but could not get the nomination. I think Harris could easily win the nomination but could not win in the general. I think Beto is in that same category, but is on his way out.

Sanders is the only one who could potentially win both the nomination and the general. He’s a nutbag lunatic, but he’s playing a really strong game. Supporting the wall last week was a stroke of brilliance which will keep some Trump voters from turning out if he gets that far. Harris and Buttigieg are also playing strong games right now.


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